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What is the point of having a Wellington W-League side if they're going to based in Australia? Having said that you could argue the same for the men at the moment. :)

So that best Kiwi players in NZ can play in a professional, higher level, competition than they would otherwise in NZ?

not sure this sentence makes sense..

Playing NWL in NZ or W-League in Aussie - which one gets our players better quality opposition and game time on a regular basis?

living in Oz is likely not an option for some of NZ's best NZ domiciled players

Why not? I mean, if you want to be a professional footballer, you go where the gigs are, you don't expect them to come to you.

ok so either you are referring to those that want to be pro, or assuming all decent NZ women footballers want to be. 

I'm not assuming anything. Those who have aspirations to play professionally and are good enough get a chance to do that rather than wasting away domestically in NZ. Those who don't are irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion no matter how good/talented they are. 

It is relevant when there will be players who are not interested pulling up stumps in NZ for six months to live in Oz on an oily rag. That's what the Oz based team is - a different proposition to an NZ based W -League team (not that that was even a prospect but it was the original question). They aren't going to come back and be able to retire with their windfall. Is it merely an option for some players - maybe more of an option for those currently doing the pro thing

Uhm, but that's not what you were saying. You said that not all best players are interested in becoming pro - if that's true, then where the team is based is irrelevant, and they're not the target for the club at any rate in that case. 

If you want to be a professional footballer, there are sacrifices that come with that. Some are prepared to make them, some aren't. And those who aren't are of not interest to a professional club, regardless of where the club is based.

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el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Balbi wrote:

Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

OzNix wrote:

What is the point of having a Wellington W-League side if they're going to based in Australia? Having said that you could argue the same for the men at the moment. :)

So that best Kiwi players in NZ can play in a professional, higher level, competition than they would otherwise in NZ?

not sure this sentence makes sense..

Playing NWL in NZ or W-League in Aussie - which one gets our players better quality opposition and game time on a regular basis?

living in Oz is likely not an option for some of NZ's best NZ domiciled players

Why not? I mean, if you want to be a professional footballer, you go where the gigs are, you don't expect them to come to you.

ok so either you are referring to those that want to be pro, or assuming all decent NZ women footballers want to be. 

I'm not assuming anything. Those who have aspirations to play professionally and are good enough get a chance to do that rather than wasting away domestically in NZ. Those who don't are irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion no matter how good/talented they are. 

It is relevant when there will be players who are not interested pulling up stumps in NZ for six months to live in Oz on an oily rag. That's what the Oz based team is - a different proposition to an NZ based W -League team (not that that was even a prospect but it was the original question). They aren't going to come back and be able to retire with their windfall. Is it merely an option for some players - maybe more of an option for those currently doing the pro thing

Uhm, but that's not what you were saying. You said that not all best players are interested in becoming pro - if that's true, then where the team is based is irrelevant, and they're not the target for the club at any rate in that case. 

If you want to be a professional footballer, there are sacrifices that come with that. Some are prepared to make them, some aren't. And those who aren't are of not interest to a professional club, regardless of where the club is based.

I was assuming W-League players can earn money outside of the pittance they get for playing - but could be wrong?

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Won't most of the team likely be coming from Auckland anyway? I see NZF are eager to be involved so presuming a lot with be coming out of the FFDP group, who are based in Auckland.

In a way what does it matter if they have to relocate to Wellington or Wollongong for 4-6 months. It could be as short as 4 months. 1 month pre season and then into it. W League is pretty brief.

A lot of the group will likely be students, so as long as they have capacity to do their courses online, should be okay. Playing in the W League definitely can open doors. Look at all the ex W League players who have now been signed in Europe, esp UK. Also because the season is so short, you can try sign elsewhere in other leagues to increase your income over a 12 month stretch. Likes of Rebekah Stott have done that in the past.

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Won't most of the team likely be coming from Auckland anyway? I see NZF are eager to be involved so presuming a lot with be coming out of the FFDP group, who are based in Auckland.

In a way what does it matter if they have to relocate to Wellington or Wollongong for 4-6 months. It could be as short as 4 months. 1 month pre season and then into it. W League is pretty brief.

A lot of the group will likely be students, so as long as they have capacity to do their courses online, should be okay. Playing in the W League definitely can open doors. Look at all the ex W League players who have now been signed in Europe, esp UK. Also because the season is so short, you can try sign elsewhere in other leagues to increase your income over a 12 month stretch. Likes of Rebekah Stott have done that in the past.

Yes the FFDP would be the target group (as it's essentially an NZF exercise), and youngsters doing online course would be the easy win as per usual. 

If the league goes ahead, if there is a Nix team in it, if they are based in Oz, then recruitment will be an interesting challenge. I'd say a lot would target it as a way into WC 2023 rather than the pro life.

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If the A League folds or downgrades, what would that mean for the W League and the viability of the Nix having a womens’ side?

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Can't see the W league continuing on without the A league surely?
It won't change much on our side of the pond.. Things will continue on as they have until now

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Maybe we'll start having a PROPER NZ women's league if the A-League folds. The "Nixie Chicks" squaring off against Auckland City, Eastern Suburbs and maybe a SI women's club in a proper multiple round robin.

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Maybe we'll start having a PROPER NZ women's league if the A-League folds. The "Nixie Chicks" squaring off against Auckland City, Eastern Suburbs and maybe a SI women's club in a proper multiple round robin.

its already starting Northern this year are being run by Forest Hill & Glenfield, while Auckland is Eastern Suburbs

NZ women's National League could look like this quite easily

Glenfield \ FHMU 

Eastern Suburbs

Hamilton Wanderers

Palmerston North Marist

Wellington United

Coastal Spirit

Dunedin Technical

add one more from Auckland or the Nix to make it an 8 team league - just got to find the money to pay for it next!

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el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Balbi wrote:

Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

OzNix wrote:

What is the point of having a Wellington W-League side if they're going to based in Australia? Having said that you could argue the same for the men at the moment. :)

So that best Kiwi players in NZ can play in a professional, higher level, competition than they would otherwise in NZ?

not sure this sentence makes sense..

Playing NWL in NZ or W-League in Aussie - which one gets our players better quality opposition and game time on a regular basis?

living in Oz is likely not an option for some of NZ's best NZ domiciled players

Why not? I mean, if you want to be a professional footballer, you go where the gigs are, you don't expect them to come to you.

An example and someone I chat to when I see her around here in Christchurch would be Annalie Longo.

She has certainly been putting in a big effort as a 29 year-old senior NZ women's footballer to balance family life and career:

- Mother of two school-age daughters.

- June - September 2020: played 12 games for Cashmere Technical in Mainland Women's Premier League (16 goals, second top scorer in league)

- October - February last summer: based in Melbourne playing for the Victory in the W-League.

- September - October last year: trained and played early season with Mainland Pride.

- For a few years before taking leave last October to play W-League has been Women's Development Officer for Mainland Fooball.

- At times has spent half the week commuting from Christchurch to Auckland for Football Ferns training.

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Says there it would cost the Nix about one million dollars per season to have a W-League side.

Surely that wouldn't be viable now in the post-Covid environment when the Nix will be tightening belts due to reduced revenue?

There are major doubts now across the ditch as whether next season's W-League will go head:

https://thewomensgame.com/news/w-league-in-major-d...

"Each club apparently receives $200,000 from FFA for their W-League program, with the total $1.8M injection in jeopardy considering FFA’s cash flow has been severely dented by the reduced Foxtel TV deal and the loss of major sponsors including Hyundai, Caltex, Aldi, NAB and Harvey Norman.

FFA are estimated to have lost nearly $40M in revenue this year...

There was expected to be a major flow of funds coming into women’s football since the hosting rights were awarded to Australia and New Zealand, but with governments and the corporate world all struggling, it appears this may not be as big as previously predicted."

However:

"The $32M post COVID19 Foxtel deal signed in June would require the W-League to go ahead."

I suspect though that the W-League not going ahead wouldn't affect the TV money too much and it might be something the FFA would be prepared to sacrifice.

Women's football unfortunately is usually the first thing that professional football clubs sacfifice in hard financial times internationally.

My club Charlton Athletic for many years in the 1990's and early 2000's had one of the strongest women's football programs in England, fielding a side in the top women's league..

But when the club struggled financially after 2008 and Premier League relegation, the first thing they did was cut the women's team.....

They've only brought back woman's side in more recent years.

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Not happening.

Wellington Phoenix were reportedly to introduce a W-League side for the upcoming season, but the uncertainty surrounding it means the expansion process will be delayed until at least the 2021-22 season. Furthermore, Wellington are not the only A-League club interested in entering a team into the W-League.

“All the A-League clubs that don’t currently have a W-League licence are looking to participate in a process of expansion for the season after next,” the spokesperson said. “We will look at all possibilities as we intend to successfully complete a nine-team competition with a similar number of games as last season, with the same broadcast opportunities to showcase the W-League.”

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Balbi wrote:

Not happening.

Wellington Phoenix were reportedly to introduce a W-League side for the upcoming season, but the uncertainty surrounding it means the expansion process will be delayed until at least the 2021-22 season. Furthermore, Wellington are not the only A-League club interested in entering a team into the W-League.

“All the A-League clubs that don’t currently have a W-League licence are looking to participate in a process of expansion for the season after next,” the spokesperson said. “We will look at all possibilities as we intend to successfully complete a nine-team competition with a similar number of games as last season, with the same broadcast opportunities to showcase the W-League.”

Potentially more teams in the W League then the A League if Canberra doesn't get into the A League any time soon.

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https://www.espn.com.au/football/wellington-phoeni...

Looks good for a nix team in this years W-League which starts in 9 weeks.

Everyone involved needs a lot of plaudits as it would have been easy to drop this as too hard in the current environment.

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Getting closer from what Dome is hinting at 🤞

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/300145525/t...

If there a number of Football Ferns currently stuck in NZ at the moment due to Covid, Nix could field a reasonable W League team if they can scramble something together at this very late stage.

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