I thought Flappy was only here till the end of the season?
In other transfer news, Phoenix have also secured the signature of experience goalkeeper Tando Velaphi until the end of the season.
Transfer Talk - 2018/19 Season
Velaphi's a good keeper. You can probably see the difference between him and our other keepers. But yes, we definitely have better kiwi keepers, or keepers just as good. Of course there's a chance that Smith and Sail could be better than him given more time too.
I think the problem is that where NZ used to have maybe one keeper overseas we now have six overseas because we've had a generation of good keepers. The problem is that this means that the next level of keeper down and on display in the NZFC is further down the pecking order.
Realistically the next best keeper in NZ is Scott Basalaj and I'm not convinced he's an A-League keeper. He can be excellent but can also make some Cap 9 level errors. I think he's better than Keegan at this point and he's probably better than Sail but none of them are a starting A-League keeper currently.
Further to this can we afford to use an import slot on a keeper? We're heading for next season (assuming Krishna is the only import we keep) with one centre back, no defensive midfielder, no goalscorer and an 18 year old as the hub for our midfield creation. To be a better team than this season signing free agent Australians is not the answer. We need a step upgrade in each import slot and those slots are where we will have a gap.
Upshot is Tando might be the best option available to us unless one of the NZ keepers overseas decides they want to play at home.
Further to this can we afford to use an import slot on a keeper?
Velaphi's a good keeper. You can probably see the difference between him and our other keepers. But yes, we definitely have better kiwi keepers, or keepers just as good. Of course there's a chance that Smith and Sail could be better than him given more time too.
Further to this can we afford to use an import slot on a keeper?
Velaphi's a good keeper. You can probably see the difference between him and our other keepers. But yes, we definitely have better kiwi keepers, or keepers just as good. Of course there's a chance that Smith and Sail could be better than him given more time too.
Further to this can we afford to use an import slot on a keeper?
Why do we have that, without a coach/manager in place?
Velaphi's a good keeper. You can probably see the difference between him and our other keepers. But yes, we definitely have better kiwi keepers, or keepers just as good. Of course there's a chance that Smith and Sail could be better than him given more time too.
Further to this can we afford to use an import slot on a keeper?
I think the answer to this is yes. If we'd had a solid keeper from the start of this season I don't think we'd be in the same position (not saying its all the keepers fault) but having a good solid keeper gives the defence confidence which allows the team to better build up from the back and if that takes an import slot, so be it.
We currently have 1 keeper signed for next season (Smith) and I think everyone agrees he's not fully ready yet but will be. In NZ the only keeper worth looking at is Zubrikari, who would be an import. The other thing they could do is use the +1 spot smartly and look to a keeper from Asia
Velaphi's a good keeper. You can probably see the difference between him and our other keepers. But yes, we definitely have better kiwi keepers, or keepers just as good. Of course there's a chance that Smith and Sail could be better than him given more time too.
Further to this can we afford to use an import slot on a keeper?
Why do we have that, without a coach/manager in place?
exactly! add to this the confusion that players off contract this season will be feeling with no clear indication as to whether they will be here next season or not.
Haven't you just argued both sides of the point there prof?
- Why are we offering players deals?
- Why aren't we telling people if they have a gig next season?
I was assured by a source that Piney was wrong but just looking at who we have signed for next season i would not be surprised if the source was misinformed.
Velaphi's a good keeper. You can probably see the difference between him and our other keepers. But yes, we definitely have better kiwi keepers, or keepers just as good. Of course there's a chance that Smith and Sail could be better than him given more time too.
Further to this can we afford to use an import slot on a keeper?
I think the answer to this is yes. If we'd had a solid keeper from the start of this season I don't think we'd be in the same position (not saying its all the keepers fault) but having a good solid keeper gives the defence confidence which allows the team to better build up from the back and if that takes an import slot, so be it.
We currently have 1 keeper signed for next season (Smith) and I think everyone agrees he's not fully ready yet but will be. In NZ the only keeper worth looking at is Zubrikari, who would be an import. The other thing they could do is use the +1 spot smartly and look to a keeper from Asia
Niggly
Haven't you just argued both sides of the point there prof?
- Why are we offering players deals?
- Why aren't we telling people if they have a gig next season?
totally, I guess it just highlights the lunacy of our current situation - which is a repeat the end of last season.
From what I can figure this is our contracted player list for next season:
Ryan Lowry
Dylan Fox
Nathan Burns
Adam Parkhouse
Sarpreet Singh
Tom Doyle
Oliver Sail
Roy Krishna
Keegan Smith (Youth)
Tando Velaphi
Some holes there.
Forgot one.
Out of those ten
one midfielder
three goal keepers
Velaphi's a good keeper. You can probably see the difference between him and our other keepers. But yes, we definitely have better kiwi keepers, or keepers just as good. Of course there's a chance that Smith and Sail could be better than him given more time too.
I think the problem is that where NZ used to have maybe one keeper overseas we now have six overseas because we've had a generation of good keepers. The problem is that this means that the next level of keeper down and on display in the NZFC is further down the pecking order.
Realistically the next best keeper in NZ is Scott Basalaj and I'm not convinced he's an A-League keeper. He can be excellent but can also make some Cap 9 level errors. I think he's better than Keegan at this point and he's probably better than Sail but none of them are a starting A-League keeper currently.
Further to this can we afford to use an import slot on a keeper? We're heading for next season (assuming Krishna is the only import we keep) with one centre back, no defensive midfielder, no goalscorer and an 18 year old as the hub for our midfield creation. To be a better team than this season signing free agent Australians is not the answer. We need a step upgrade in each import slot and those slots are where we will have a gap.
Upshot is Tando might be the best option available to us unless one of the NZ keepers overseas decides they want to play at home.
Nice analysis.
I don't think we can use an import spot on a keeper. A combination of Velaphi and a proper imported center back would work better for me than wasting an import spot on a glove man.
Tamati Williams could be an option. I assume he's improved with his Euro experience, but perhaps also declined with age. If he's at least as good as he was before he departed ACFC then IMO he's superior to Velaphi, so perhaps should be considered.
I'm assuming there's a good reason for Oliver Sail starting the season at number 4. I always thought he'd turn out good and would have surpassed Italiano by now.
From what I can figure this is our contracted player list for next season:
Ryan Lowry
Dylan Fox
Nathan Burns
Adam Parkhouse
Sarpreet Singh
Tom Doyle
Oliver Sail
Roy Krishna
Keegan Smith (Youth)
Tando Velaphi
Some holes there.
Forgot one.
a couple I would rather weren't...but that's football
From what I can figure this is our contracted player list for next season:
Ryan Lowry
Dylan Fox
Nathan Burns
Adam Parkhouse
Sarpreet Singh
Tom Doyle
Oliver Sail
Roy Krishna
Keegan Smith (Youth)
Tando Velaphi
Some holes there.
Forgot one.
a couple I would rather weren't...but that's football
the positive side of that is that there is only a couple and ryan lowry may come in useful by helping us recruit his brother!
bugger, i think he's improved the side
If Velapi's injured, should we bring back Smith for the rest of the season? He's contracted for next year and it would be interesting to see how well he handles the pressure after a few months out of the spotlight.
100% yes.
Velaphi's a good keeper. You can probably see the difference between him and our other keepers. But yes, we definitely have better kiwi keepers, or keepers just as good. Of course there's a chance that Smith and Sail could be better than him given more time too.
I think the problem is that where NZ used to have maybe one keeper overseas we now have six overseas because we've had a generation of good keepers. The problem is that this means that the next level of keeper down and on display in the NZFC is further down the pecking order.
Realistically the next best keeper in NZ is Scott Basalaj and I'm not convinced he's an A-League keeper. He can be excellent but can also make some Cap 9 level errors. I think he's better than Keegan at this point and he's probably better than Sail but none of them are a starting A-League keeper currently.
Further to this can we afford to use an import slot on a keeper? We're heading for next season (assuming Krishna is the only import we keep) with one centre back, no defensive midfielder, no goalscorer and an 18 year old as the hub for our midfield creation. To be a better team than this season signing free agent Australians is not the answer. We need a step upgrade in each import slot and those slots are where we will have a gap.
Upshot is Tando might be the best option available to us unless one of the NZ keepers overseas decides they want to play at home.
Nice analysis.
I don't think we can use an import spot on a keeper. A combination of Velaphi and a proper imported center back would work better for me than wasting an import spot on a glove man.
Tamati Williams could be an option. I assume he's improved with his Euro experience, but perhaps also declined with age. If he's at least as good as he was before he departed ACFC then IMO he's superior to Velaphi, so perhaps should be considered.
I'm assuming there's a good reason for Oliver Sail starting the season at number 4. I always thought he'd turn out good and would have surpassed Italiano by now.
Velaphi's a good keeper. You can probably see the difference between him and our other keepers. But yes, we definitely have better kiwi keepers, or keepers just as good. Of course there's a chance that Smith and Sail could be better than him given more time too.
I think the problem is that where NZ used to have maybe one keeper overseas we now have six overseas because we've had a generation of good keepers. The problem is that this means that the next level of keeper down and on display in the NZFC is further down the pecking order.
Realistically the next best keeper in NZ is Scott Basalaj and I'm not convinced he's an A-League keeper. He can be excellent but can also make some Cap 9 level errors. I think he's better than Keegan at this point and he's probably better than Sail but none of them are a starting A-League keeper currently.
Further to this can we afford to use an import slot on a keeper? We're heading for next season (assuming Krishna is the only import we keep) with one centre back, no defensive midfielder, no goalscorer and an 18 year old as the hub for our midfield creation. To be a better team than this season signing free agent Australians is not the answer. We need a step upgrade in each import slot and those slots are where we will have a gap.
Upshot is Tando might be the best option available to us unless one of the NZ keepers overseas decides they want to play at home.
Nice analysis.
I don't think we can use an import spot on a keeper. A combination of Velaphi and a proper imported center back would work better for me than wasting an import spot on a glove man.
Tamati Williams could be an option. I assume he's improved with his Euro experience, but perhaps also declined with age. If he's at least as good as he was before he departed ACFC then IMO he's superior to Velaphi, so perhaps should be considered.
I'm assuming there's a good reason for Oliver Sail starting the season at number 4. I always thought he'd turn out good and would have surpassed Italiano by now.
Janjetovic is one of the worst keepers in the league. He's lucky that the league also has Kennedy.
% conceded from shots on target is much more likely to do with what happens in front of a keeper. Some defenders do half the job of keeping for you and a well organized defensive unit will play the % game a limit shots in the more dangerous areas. I'd say this low % at WSW is more to do with Thwaite Hammil and Risdon than Jajetovic, just as our error-prone centre backs giving the ball away in central areas would be key contributors to our high %
Velaphi's a good keeper. You can probably see the difference between him and our other keepers. But yes, we definitely have better kiwi keepers, or keepers just as good. Of course there's a chance that Smith and Sail could be better than him given more time too.
I think the problem is that where NZ used to have maybe one keeper overseas we now have six overseas because we've had a generation of good keepers. The problem is that this means that the next level of keeper down and on display in the NZFC is further down the pecking order.
Realistically the next best keeper in NZ is Scott Basalaj and I'm not convinced he's an A-League keeper. He can be excellent but can also make some Cap 9 level errors. I think he's better than Keegan at this point and he's probably better than Sail but none of them are a starting A-League keeper currently.
Further to this can we afford to use an import slot on a keeper? We're heading for next season (assuming Krishna is the only import we keep) with one centre back, no defensive midfielder, no goalscorer and an 18 year old as the hub for our midfield creation. To be a better team than this season signing free agent Australians is not the answer. We need a step upgrade in each import slot and those slots are where we will have a gap.
Upshot is Tando might be the best option available to us unless one of the NZ keepers overseas decides they want to play at home.
Nice analysis.
I don't think we can use an import spot on a keeper. A combination of Velaphi and a proper imported center back would work better for me than wasting an import spot on a glove man.
Tamati Williams could be an option. I assume he's improved with his Euro experience, but perhaps also declined with age. If he's at least as good as he was before he departed ACFC then IMO he's superior to Velaphi, so perhaps should be considered.
I'm assuming there's a good reason for Oliver Sail starting the season at number 4. I always thought he'd turn out good and would have surpassed Italiano by now.
Janjetovic is one of the worst keepers in the league. He's lucky that the league also has Kennedy.
% conceded from shots on target is much more likely to do with what happens in front of a keeper. Some defenders do half the job of keeping for you and a well organized defensive unit will play the % game a limit shots in the more dangerous areas. I'd say this low % at WSW is more to do with Thwaite Hammil and Risdon than Jajetovic, just as our error-prone centre backs giving the ball away in central areas would be key contributors to our high %
Velaphi has conceded 7 goals and has 12 saves, Janjetovic has conceded 38 but has 95 saves - if he was conceding at the same ratio as Velaphi he would have conceded 55 goals. Again, Janjetovic is not purely THE reason but is A reason for the difference.
Hearing @FFA will announce mandatory Asian player for each @ALeague club next season as one of five foreigners #youhearditfirst
— Michael Zappone (@Michael_Zappone) March 20, 2018
Can't even joke that Calvin Harris will get a deal for sure now, the FFA rules don't allow visa players that young.
Isn't that a racist policy? Not being a smart arse, especially with that other thread in mind but having to get a player because of their origin smells pretty much racism to me. I stand to be corrected. But I think the FFA have the Asian Confederations firmly in mind when coming out with this. Lei Lei Gao to make a return to the Nix??
Can the Phoenix use it on an Aussie?
Isn't that a racist policy? Not being a smart arse, especially with that other thread in mind but having to get a player because of their origin smells pretty much racism to me. I stand to be corrected. But I think the FFA have the Asian Confederations firmly in mind when coming out with this. Lei Lei Gao to make a return to the Nix??
No more than them restricting the number of imports a team can use
Isn't that a racist policy? Not being a smart arse, especially with that other thread in mind but having to get a player because of their origin smells pretty much racism to me. I stand to be corrected. But I think the FFA have the Asian Confederations firmly in mind when coming out with this. Lei Lei Gao to make a return to the Nix??
No more than them restricting the number of imports a team can use
So we'd be forced to take an Asian player, even though we couldn't play in the Asian club championship if we won the HAL because we're an Oceania club playing under a special dispensation.
The OFC Champions League has a 3+1 rule as well. You could chose not to use the +1.
Can the Phoenix use it on an Aussie?
Isn't that a racist policy? Not being a smart arse, especially with that other thread in mind but having to get a player because of their origin smells pretty much racism to me. I stand to be corrected. But I think the FFA have the Asian Confederations firmly in mind when coming out with this. Lei Lei Gao to make a return to the Nix??
No more than them restricting the number of imports a team can use
+1
In addition to this, it is designed to strengthen Australian clubs who compete in the Asian Champions League which has a 3+1 rule. A-League clubs with a 4+1 foreign player quota will still have to omit 1 of the 4 non-Asian players. At present clubs with a 5+0 foreign player quota have to omit 2 non-Asian players. In theory Australian clubs who wish to fill their foreign player quota will, assuming the foreigners are better than the locals, be forced to carry a stronger squad into the Asian Champions League.
Can the Phoenix use it on an Aussie?
Isn't that a racist policy? Not being a smart arse, especially with that other thread in mind but having to get a player because of their origin smells pretty much racism to me. I stand to be corrected. But I think the FFA have the Asian Confederations firmly in mind when coming out with this. Lei Lei Gao to make a return to the Nix??
No more than them restricting the number of imports a team can use
+1
In addition to this, it is designed to strengthen Australian clubs who compete in the Asian Champions League which has a 3+1 rule. A-League clubs with a 4+1 foreign player quota will still have to omit 1 of the 4 non-Asian players. At present clubs with a 5+0 foreign player quota have to omit 2 non-Asian players. In theory Australian clubs who wish to fill their foreign player quota will, assuming the foreigners are better than the locals, be forced to carry a stronger squad into the Asian Champions League.
Except the 5+0 rule means you can have someone regardless of their nationality. This new rule determines which nationality.
No. It determines which region.
It's no different to the fact that the other 18 players have to be from Australia for Australian clubs or Australia and New Zealand for us.
Fruedian slip, yep HN, Region.
Hearing @FFA will announce mandatory Asian player for each @ALeague club next season as one of five foreigners #youhearditfirst
— Michael Zappone (@Michael_Zappone) March 20, 2018
Can't even joke that Calvin Harris will get a deal for sure now, the FFA rules don't allow visa players that young.
How old do they have to be?
Hearing @FFA will announce mandatory Asian player for each @ALeague club next season as one of five foreigners #youhearditfirst
— Michael Zappone (@Michael_Zappone) March 20, 2018
Can't even joke that Calvin Harris will get a deal for sure now, the FFA rules don't allow visa players that young.
How old do they have to be?
Might be 20 based on a conversation I had recently.
Isn't that a racist policy? Not being a smart arse, especially with that other thread in mind but having to get a player because of their origin smells pretty much racism to me. I stand to be corrected. But I think the FFA have the Asian Confederations firmly in mind when coming out with this. Lei Lei Gao to make a return to the Nix??
No more than them restricting the number of imports a team can use
+1
In addition to this, it is designed to strengthen Australian clubs who compete in the Asian Champions League which has a 3+1 rule. A-League clubs with a 4+1 foreign player quota will still have to omit 1 of the 4 non-Asian players. At present clubs with a 5+0 foreign player quota have to omit 2 non-Asian players. In theory Australian clubs who wish to fill their foreign player quota will, assuming the foreigners are better than the locals, be forced to carry a stronger squad into the Asian Champions League.
Except the 5+0 rule means you can have someone regardless of their nationality. This new rule determines which nationality.
The purpose of my reply was to provide some insight as to one of the reasons why this quota is being introduced, i.e. to strengthen Australian clubs for the Asian Champions League by aligning with ACL rules.
Would you like to say that the Asian Federation is being racist for allowing an extra Asian import in their own regional club competition?
Surely this will marginalise FFA even more with the clubs... how long til FIFA take over?
Dont really see the issue here,so what they ask for a player to be from the confederation they play in. Just one of those things we have to put up with by playing in a different confederation.
Surely this will marginalise FFA even more with the clubs... how long til FIFA take over?
I doubt it. Suspect it has had input and has support from the club owners group as it seems to be aligned with international windows being observed from next season as well which is leaking at the same time.
The reality is that it earns appeasement from AFC and helps the clubs align for Asian club competitions where they are restricted to 3+1.
Of all the things FIFA and AFC might take action on this would be near the bottom of the list.
