Time to hand Sydney their second loss! If Boyd is fit, put him on the bench.
R11 vs Sydney FC | Sunday 21st Dec | 7:00pm | SS2
6pt game. All to play for. It's Vinnie Lia's fault etc etc
I heard on Sat from a source within the team that the Boyd issue is def contractual, he has even been advised by some of the senior players to just sign it and play but hasn't to date.
I heard on Sat from a source within the team that the Boyd issue is def contractual, he has even been advised by some of the senior players to just sign it and play but hasn't to date.
Maybe a bit off topic for this thread, but if that is true then this is costing us a potentially effective sub for the game. I think he'd have made more impact than Brockie v CCM also.
From both business model and club culture perspectives you'd think getting this right is a big deal.
To turn down a 'Nix contract he has to think he can get a better offer somewhere else. Does he seriously thinks he's good enough to earn an import spot in Aus or to get an offer in Europe.
Does that mean that Ryan Thomas and Declan Edge might be pulling some strings for him to get a trial in the Netherlands? And maybe he thinks that being a free agent might make a difference to his chances of getting offered a contract over there?
How have CCM managed it? They have had transfer fees from players fairly regularly, I think? Why haven't those players given them the fingers like Boyd seems to be doing to the 'Nix? Maybe the Mariners have been good at arranging things for players to get trials and offers overseas? Maybe they offer deferred transfer fees, paid only if they are kept on past a certain time - like the Weemac situation in Japan - with the player otherwise returning to the club (not as in the case with Weemac :)? But if I'm not jumping to conclusions, maybe Boyd sees Edge as a better facilitator of a shot elsewhere than the 'Nix are? You'd want to fix that if you were the Nix, surely. Offer Edge a fee for arranging things for players, to come out of transfer fees?
Is his dad also called Rodi?
I am revising my expectations down for this game and hoping to do a CCM and snatch a point to maintain parity with Bling going into the 28 Dec game against WSW sans Topor-Stanley
Does that mean that Ryan Thomas and Declan Edge might be pulling some strings for him to get a trial in the Netherlands? And maybe he thinks that being a free agent might make a difference to his chances of getting offered a contract over there?
I heard on Sat from a source within the team that the Boyd issue is def contractual, he has even been advised by some of the senior players to just sign it and play but hasn't to date.
Well if it is that is enormously disappointing and it potentially cost us 3 points. Seems stupid to be paying a guy who we can't use to help us win games. and as fans we want to see him play.
I hope that this isn't a case of well it's NZ talent and he's young- sign for 3 years of crap pay.
Equally I hope that he doesn't have a vastly overstated view of his worth.
Either way- look at the way Reid's contract has been handled professionally and he's played a key part in the Hammers season.
So you are saying Boyd is not playing because he does not sign a contract for the season 2015/16? Who is not letting him play? Ernie, Boyd's management? That makes no sense. Boyd is in hot form in ASB Premiership, he would like to score in the A-league to get a better deal in the other league and Ernie would need him exactly for that reason. Are the Phoenix try to pressure him to sign the contract?
So you are saying Boyd is not playing because he does not sign a contract for the season 2015/16? Who is not letting him play? Ernie, Boyd's management? That makes no sense. Boyd is in hot form in ASB Premiership, he would like to score in the A-league to get a better deal in the other league and Ernie would need him exactly for that reason. Are the Phoenix try to pressure him to sign the contract?
I can only assume it's this part - the source didn't go into why it was happening, only that this was why Boyd wasn't involved.
The question is when Brockie leaves will whoever is making this call relent and let him play or is Boyd waiting to see if they relent and if the Nix stay solid then will he sign his new contract?
I suspect they don't have time for a player who is still has a lot of development to go, would only be coming off the bench at the expense of higher paid players and doesn't want to commit to the club.
But he is better than the options we have on the bench.
You've got to pick the best players on the day.
And if it's pressuring to sign a contract then I really hope it's not because that is a crap way to go about things.
It all seems a bit weird really. If it was just that he hasn't re-signed so we won't play him, we presumably also wouldn't be playing Siggy, Moss, Cunningham, JBS & Boxall all who come off contract at the end of the season, and Brockie definitely wouldn't have come off the bench on Saturday. Surely some of that group have been offered extensions as well.
Maybe an attitude thing?
Article in Herald says he missed out on WeeNix game because WaiBop wouldn't allow the 4+2 rule.
Article in Herald says he missed out on WeeNix game because WaiBop wouldn't allow the 4+2 rule.
Article in Herald says he missed out on WeeNix game because WaiBop wouldn't allow the 4+2 rule.
That makes sense. Stupid rule! Who came up and agreed to that?
But he is better than the options we have on the bench.
You've got to pick the best players on the day.
And if it's pressuring to sign a contract then I really hope it's not because that is a crap way to go about things.
Not sure about that Tegal.
Heaven knows what the dispute is about, if there is one, but the kid turns 20 in a couple of weeks. He's scored just 2 goals in 43 appearances for the 'Nix including plenty of starts. How much does he want as a kid that's done nothing much yet? I'm not going to get excited about just three goals for the reserves.
For me, if he's not prepared to sign a one year contract, at least, for the minimum A$50k salary ($64k NZ), I'd cut him adrift.. That's a 25% bump up from the A$40k he was getting as an U20. Does he really think he has already justified getting more than that?
http://www.playerrelations.com.au/sites/default/fi...
And if he is insisting on being a free agent then, even more so, I'd cut my losses as a club and play other players. imho in that scenario Boyd is just a write off. Good luck to him, but we have a football team to develop. We're not here for some pimply kid to treat us as a doormat. You're welcome back any time Tyler, in fact you're welcome to stay. Here's your $64k contract.
Just sign the fudging contract Tyler. Like the senior players are apparently encouraging you to.
I am struggling to side with Boyd on this, much as I have liked his potential as a player. But mostly still potential. He's not prima donna material yet.
I agree that he may think he's more than he's worth. If he wants to pursue options elsewhere then good luck to him.
But that's not the point.
It almost comes down to him and Cunningham for that bench spot. Cunningham hasn't offered a lot. Boyd has played better for the nix reserves in my opinion.
Both will probably be gone next season.
I would just like the match day squad picked on talent and form, not on whether or not someone will sign a contract.
It all seems a bit weird really. If it was just that he hasn't re-signed so we won't play him, we presumably also wouldn't be playing Siggy, Moss, Cunningham, JBS & Boxall all who come off contract at the end of the season, and Brockie definitely wouldn't have come off the bench on Saturday. Surely some of that group have been offered extensions as well.
Maybe an attitude thing?
Depends - if you are still in good faith negotiations on a contract extension you are still going to play them, of course.
But IF you've haggled and got to the point where your best offer has been declined, then it's a different situation. You are pretty much at sayonara time.
If the story above is true then Boyd needs to realise he is not Rojas.
Agree mjp2. This is a pro football club and this is way of pro sports, the situation of which we do not see in NZ cause our pro sports are relatively immature in their life cycle. NFL/NHL etc, this is common place. The management focus on the club. If you are leaving, thanks and have a good career but we have a team to run here and if you are not wanting in, see ya.
The flip side (like Tegal says) is that he is still one of our players and its a little cutting your nose off to spite your face in not playing him if he can be a difference maker. We can only speculate if he would have made a difference on Saturday but in the absence of any fact, the speculation can be valid
I think the correct position is that if he wants to *milk* us for cash, fine. We will *milk* him for his talent while he is still under contract with us. We pay him up until day x and until then we should use him as the club sees fit. Once that day x arrives, both sides have done their piece and you move on. Its the nature of free agency in pro sports.
Posted by 2ndBest in other thread but if you want to watch the game on Sunday, why not do so with other fans and support Bethel Woods.
Remember a while back when Tyler was talking about playing for the US? Maybe he is playing hardball with the club and not the other way around?
I agree that he may think he's more than he's worth. If he wants to pursue options elsewhere then good luck to him.
But that's not the point.
It almost comes down to him and Cunningham for that bench spot. Cunningham hasn't offered a lot. Boyd has played better for the nix reserves in my opinion.
Both will probably be gone next season.
I would just like the match day squad picked on talent and form, not on whether or not someone will sign a contract.
I understand your point of view and it's valid. But if we were picking the match day squad on talent and form we'd have Messi. The way I see it, contracts and planning for the future matters, especially if you are mid-table and not contending for the championship. Which is where I see us this year, though looking upper mid at the moment.
Of course, if Tyler was going to win the championship for us, I'd go along with playing him but I don't see that's the case.
Kenny has 7 goals in 25 appearances. He may be having a bad trot, but IF Tyler is giving us the fingers I'd rather play Kenny. And Kenny may still be an option for a contract for next year.Plus, preparing for the future doesn't include allowing a kid to dictate to you and still expect to get the cream. Guys like Boxall and Rufer need to see it's unreasonable to do what Boyd is (reputedly) doing and that there are consequences.
This does all question the clubs contracting approach though. You would think they want to develop young players and keep them for a bit, once they are good, or at least gain the benefit of transfer fees. A bit of both would be good. To be in this (supposed) strife with Tyler suggests they may need to be more clever with how they handle young player contracts.
I don't want to diss the kid. I'd love to see him develop into a very good player. They may find their way through it. What young guy, his dad and his agent doesn't think they deserve more that the boss thinks. Sometimes they just need a clip around the ears or Mum saying do your own washing then.
If the story above is true then Boyd needs to realise he is not Rojas.
If the story above is true then Boyd needs to realise he is not Rojas.
Not by European league standards.There is literally hundreds of wannabe Bundesliga first team hopefuls every week.
He still needs to improve as he matures, and he might be an excellent player for the A-League once his career over there peaks. He would be one the better players in the A-League today if he returned, but I do not see him settling yet for the kind of money we pay here.
Remember a while back when Tyler was talking about playing for the US? Maybe he is playing hardball with the club and not the other way around?
yes. We all had a good chuckle.
Remember a while back when Tyler was talking about playing for the US? Maybe he is playing hardball with the club and not the other way around?
yes. We all had a good chuckle.
You know, I just have this sneaky suspicion that there is the scent of Declan in behind this.
I agree that he may think he's more than he's worth. If he wants to pursue options elsewhere then good luck to him.
But that's not the point.
It almost comes down to him and Cunningham for that bench spot. Cunningham hasn't offered a lot. Boyd has played better for the nix reserves in my opinion.
Both will probably be gone next season.
I would just like the match day squad picked on talent and form, not on whether or not someone will sign a contract.
I understand your point of view and it's valid. But if we were picking the match day squad on talent and form we'd have Messi. The way I see it, contracts and planning for the future matters, especially if you are mid-table and not contending for the championship. Which is where I see us this year, though looking upper mid at the moment.
Of course, if Tyler was going to win the championship for us, I'd go along with playing him but I don't see that's the case.
Kenny has 7 goals in 25 appearances. He may be having a bad trot, but IF Tyler is giving us the fingers I'd rather play Kenny. And Kenny may still be an option for a contract for next year.
Plus, preparing for the future doesn't include allowing a kid to dictate to you and still expect to get the cream. Guys like Boxall and Rufer need to see it's unreasonable to do what Boyd is (reputedly) doing and that there are consequences.
This does all question the clubs contracting approach though. You would think they want to develop young players and keep them for a bit, once they are good, or at least gain the benefit of transfer fees. A bit of both would be good. To be in this (supposed) strife with Tyler suggests they may need to be more clever with how they handle young player contracts.
I don't want to diss the kid. I'd love to see him develop into a very good player. They may find their way through it. What young guy, his dad and his agent doesn't think they deserve more that the boss thinks. Sometimes they just need a clip around the ears or Mum saying do your own washing then.
If the story above is true then Boyd needs to realise he is not Rojas.
Not by European league standards.There is literally hundreds of wannabe Bundesliga first team hopefuls every week.
He still needs to improve as he matures, and he might be an excellent player for the A-League once his career over there peaks. He would be one the better players in the A-League today if he returned, but I do not see him settling yet for the kind of money we pay here.
If the story above is true then Boyd needs to realise he is not Rojas.
Not by European league standards.There is literally hundreds of wannabe Bundesliga first team hopefuls every week.
He still needs to improve as he matures, and he might be an excellent player for the A-League once his career over there peaks. He would be one the better players in the A-League today if he returned, but I do not see him settling yet for the kind of money we pay here.
About the same as Lahm.
I guess we have to be careful that we are not trashing the guy based on hearsay.
Yet there are people saying that the club is doing the wrong thing, if he's not getting time because of a contract issue. I'm just putting a counter view to that. Maybe we shouldn't be trashing the club on hearsay either.
There were also several ifs, a reportedly and a supposed sprinkled though my comment. And some of the IFs in capitals.
One would think that because the rumour machine is in full throttle, then they would issue a statement responding and therefore stopping the rumour/s.
I heard on Sat from a source within the team that the Boyd issue is def contractual, he has even been advised by some of the senior players to just sign it and play but hasn't to date.
Maybe a bit off topic for this thread, but if that is true then this is costing us a potentially effective sub for the game. I think he'd have made more impact than Brockie v CCM also.
From both business model and club culture perspectives you'd think getting this right is a big deal.
To turn down a 'Nix contract he has to think he can get a better offer somewhere else. Does he seriously thinks he's good enough to earn an import spot in Aus or to get an offer in Europe.
Does that mean that Ryan Thomas and Declan Edge might be pulling some strings for him to get a trial in the Netherlands? And maybe he thinks that being a free agent might make a difference to his chances of getting offered a contract over there?
How have CCM managed it? They have had transfer fees from players fairly regularly, I think? Why haven't those players given them the fingers like Boyd seems to be doing to the 'Nix? Maybe the Mariners have been good at arranging things for players to get trials and offers overseas? Maybe they offer deferred transfer fees, paid only if they are kept on past a certain time - like the Weemac situation in Japan - with the player otherwise returning to the club (not as in the case with Weemac :)? But if I'm not jumping to conclusions, maybe Boyd sees Edge as a better facilitator of a shot elsewhere than the 'Nix are? You'd want to fix that if you were the Nix, surely. Offer Edge a fee for arranging things for players, to come out of transfer fees?
I heard on Sat from a source within the team that the Boyd issue is def contractual, he has even been advised by some of the senior players to just sign it and play but hasn't to date.
Maybe a bit off topic for this thread, but if that is true then this is costing us a potentially effective sub for the game. I think he'd have made more impact than Brockie v CCM also.
From both business model and club culture perspectives you'd think getting this right is a big deal.
To turn down a 'Nix contract he has to think he can get a better offer somewhere else. Does he seriously thinks he's good enough to earn an import spot in Aus or to get an offer in Europe.
Does that mean that Ryan Thomas and Declan Edge might be pulling some strings for him to get a trial in the Netherlands? And maybe he thinks that being a free agent might make a difference to his chances of getting offered a contract over there?
How have CCM managed it? They have had transfer fees from players fairly regularly, I think? Why haven't those players given them the fingers like Boyd seems to be doing to the 'Nix? Maybe the Mariners have been good at arranging things for players to get trials and offers overseas? Maybe they offer deferred transfer fees, paid only if they are kept on past a certain time - like the Weemac situation in Japan - with the player otherwise returning to the club (not as in the case with Weemac :)? But if I'm not jumping to conclusions, maybe Boyd sees Edge as a better facilitator of a shot elsewhere than the 'Nix are? You'd want to fix that if you were the Nix, surely. Offer Edge a fee for arranging things for players, to come out of transfer fees?
1) No. He's quite good
2) No
3) Good touch
4) OK vision
5) Nowhere near
6) Unfortunately not
7) No
I heard on Sat from a source within the team that the Boyd issue is def contractual, he has even been advised by some of the senior players to just sign it and play but hasn't to date.
Maybe a bit off topic for this thread, but if that is true then this is costing us a potentially effective sub for the game. I think he'd have made more impact than Brockie v CCM also.
From both business model and club culture perspectives you'd think getting this right is a big deal.
To turn down a 'Nix contract he has to think he can get a better offer somewhere else. Does he seriously thinks he's good enough to earn an import spot in Aus or to get an offer in Europe.
Does that mean that Ryan Thomas and Declan Edge might be pulling some strings for him to get a trial in the Netherlands? And maybe he thinks that being a free agent might make a difference to his chances of getting offered a contract over there?
How have CCM managed it? They have had transfer fees from players fairly regularly, I think? Why haven't those players given them the fingers like Boyd seems to be doing to the 'Nix? Maybe the Mariners have been good at arranging things for players to get trials and offers overseas? Maybe they offer deferred transfer fees, paid only if they are kept on past a certain time - like the Weemac situation in Japan - with the player otherwise returning to the club (not as in the case with Weemac :)? But if I'm not jumping to conclusions, maybe Boyd sees Edge as a better facilitator of a shot elsewhere than the 'Nix are? You'd want to fix that if you were the Nix, surely. Offer Edge a fee for arranging things for players, to come out of transfer fees?
1) No. He's quite good
2) No
3) Good touch
4) OK vision
5) Nowhere near
6) Unfortunately not
7) No
Boyd > Rojas. h8ers gonna h8
well the only proof in the pudding is playing. Which we are being denied. Think he would suit our current formation. He would certainly add more off the bench than Brockie or Cunningham have so far I believe.
Gee looking back we had a really even more crap season last season than I remembered. Here's a sample of his work with Huysegems which made me think he should be able to work with our current classy outfit:
Crisp, accurate deliviery, but I don't think we can say he's better than a guy who's scored 4 from 4. But my heart dropped when Brockie came on at Eden Park when we were chasing a win.
Ill be at the sydney game, hopefully enjoying some of this pudding
I heard on Sat from a source within the team that the Boyd issue is def contractual, he has even been advised by some of the senior players to just sign it and play but hasn't to date.
Maybe a bit off topic for this thread, but if that is true then this is costing us a potentially effective sub for the game. I think he'd have made more impact than Brockie v CCM also.
From both business model and club culture perspectives you'd think getting this right is a big deal.
To turn down a 'Nix contract he has to think he can get a better offer somewhere else. Does he seriously thinks he's good enough to earn an import spot in Aus or to get an offer in Europe.
Does that mean that Ryan Thomas and Declan Edge might be pulling some strings for him to get a trial in the Netherlands? And maybe he thinks that being a free agent might make a difference to his chances of getting offered a contract over there?
How have CCM managed it? They have had transfer fees from players fairly regularly, I think? Why haven't those players given them the fingers like Boyd seems to be doing to the 'Nix? Maybe the Mariners have been good at arranging things for players to get trials and offers overseas? Maybe they offer deferred transfer fees, paid only if they are kept on past a certain time - like the Weemac situation in Japan - with the player otherwise returning to the club (not as in the case with Weemac :)? But if I'm not jumping to conclusions, maybe Boyd sees Edge as a better facilitator of a shot elsewhere than the 'Nix are? You'd want to fix that if you were the Nix, surely. Offer Edge a fee for arranging things for players, to come out of transfer fees?
1) No. He's quite good
2) No
3) Good touch
4) OK vision
5) Nowhere near
6) Unfortunately not
7) No
Krishna's A League career: 17 games, 5 goals, 3 assists (a goal every 3 or 4 games, an assist every 5 or 6 games)