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Not right that that the owners are wanting to be selective in who has wage reductions. Cant imagine it would create a very good team spirit if it goes down as the owners want. Would imagine there would be some PO players who have taken a pay cut while others havnt. The owners would want to hope like hell that those players who havnt taken pay cuts perform on the field or things could get messy.

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Where I am a bit lost, is Player's Union (PFA) have pulled out of negotiations, because the PFA itself is apparently split. Of the 300 odd members, 200 are employed, and 100 are currently unemployed.

Who are the 100 unemployed? Just those players who are now off contract since the last A League season finished? Or could you be someone like Tom Doyle who was released 12 months ago by the Nix, but still be a member of the PFA, ie part of the 100 unemployed?

Just that 100 'unemployed' seems a lot compared to only 200 employed.

Is an interesting situation. Can think of Fenton and maybe Sail (seemed to be overtaken by Zac Jones as reserve keeper) as 2 contracted players, who the Nix might try 'push out the door', with large pay cuts. It's an ugly idea, but clubs are simply going to have to slash their wage bills, and seemingly carrying 'deadwood' will be more unattractive than ever.

As well as reducing salary cap by the 30% to $2.1M, I think it's also been proposed to reduce the squad size from 23 to 18 players. If so you can't really afford to carry 3 RBs in a small squad of 18. Maybe return Payne back to being a CB as he was at Eastern Suburbs.

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Squad size of 18 seems to be really pushing things might be okay at season start but come later in the season can see some teams maybe struggling with a combination of injuries and suspensions. With our Academy set up hopefully we wont be one of those.

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RR
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coochiee wrote:

Where I am a bit lost, is Player's Union (PFA) have pulled out of negotiations, because the PFA itself is apparently split. Of the 300 odd members, 200 are employed, and 100 are currently unemployed.

Who are the 100 unemployed? Just those players who are now off contract since the last A League season finished? Or could you be someone like Tom Doyle who was released 12 months ago by the Nix, but still be a member of the PFA, ie part of the 100 unemployed?

Just that 100 'unemployed' seems a lot compared to only 200 employed.

Is an interesting situation. Can think of Fenton and maybe Sail (seemed to be overtaken by Zac Jones as reserve keeper) as 2 contracted players, who the Nix might try 'push out the door', with large pay cuts. It's an ugly idea, but clubs are simply going to have to slash their wage bills, and seemingly carrying 'deadwood' will be more unattractive than ever.

As well as reducing salary cap by the 30% to $2.1M, I think it's also been proposed to reduce the squad size from 23 to 18 players. If so you can't really afford to carry 3 RBs in a small squad of 18. Maybe return Payne back to being a CB as he was at Eastern Suburbs.

The '100 unemployed' are off contract players. 

Afaik, there has been no calls to reduced the senior squad size, I suggested that maybe they should consider it as a compromise to reduce the pay cuts per person.

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Maybe you just inadvertently started a Chinese Whisper, RR that's taken on a life of it's own.

http://theniche-cache.com/football/2020/9/16/union...

I wrote in that Offseason Primer that I reckoned we’d see a drop in import slots next season. Sounds like I didn’t go far enough as there’s talk of reducing the minimum squad size too, possibly as low as 18 players. How they implement that will be fleshed out in whatever CBA they end up with... if it’s an optional thing then that’s dangerous if Sydney FC can still have 23 fully contracted pros while teams like the Phoenix are dealing with barely enough to fill out a matchday squad plus academy fellas. But it makes sense to lower the squad size in some way when that’ll take entire salaries off the books.

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Reposted From https://forum.insidesport.com.au/2885632/GOVERNANC...  

Poster was Gyfox:

The linked 102 page document is a hard read but well worth it for anyone who wants to understand the different models used across the football world.

The most common is the association model but it comes in three versions:-
1. Management of the league by the national body.
2. Self management by the league but financially dependent of the national body.
3. Self management by the league and financially independent.

The other model is the separate entity model which isn't particularly common and comes in two versions:-
1. National body as a shareholder.
2. No shareholding by the national body.

The document discusses examples of these models and variations in some detail and the final paragraph of the conclusion states:-.

"Finally, when observing many situations in which the national associations do not entirely govern football at national level, we can note that the relationship between the national association and the league is a love-hate one. They need each other for some matters, but at the same neither one wants the other to be too involved in the governance of its own organisation. The balance is a delicate one indeed."

https://www.cies.ch/fileadmin/documents/CIES/Governance_I_-_Models_across_football_associations_and_leagues.pdf

PS. James Johnson supervised the research on FIFAs behalf.

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