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How can FFA go ahead with expanding the A-League with this hanging over their heads? Common Sense would dictate waiting till A-League governance has been sorted out, but maybe Common Sense will not even make the bench and end up playing Left Back in the dressing shed.

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In summary, it's good for women, good for the PFA, and puts the onus on football people to get football right - BUT it could have been better. We call it 'Reform Lite'

07 August 2018 | Bonita Mersiades

The chair of the CRWG, Judith Griggs, will present the report to the FIFA Member Associations Committee on 20 August in Zurich. We can expect it to be rubber-stamped.

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Blew.2 wrote:

FFA Letter to the CRWG Chair out lining disagreements

It appears most of what Lowy wants is total control of the A-League($$$$$$$$)

I also think the professional side of the game should have representation that reflects their numbers and not potentially in a position to push through measures that are odds with the amateur membership. I have no problem with the A League and professional clubs being in charge of their own destiny without undue influence of the national body. Maybe that's the compromise - leave control of the amateur game to the amateurs and let the pros run their own show.
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Blew.2 wrote:

FFA Letter to the CRWG Chair out lining disagreements

It appears most of what Lowy wants is total control of the A-League($$$$$$$$)

I also think the professional side of the game should have representation that reflects their numbers and not potentially in a position to push through measures that are odds with the amateur membership. I have no problem with the A League and professional clubs being in charge of their own destiny without undue influence of the national body. Maybe that's the compromise - leave control of the amateur game to the amateurs and let the pros run their own show.

  Can't see the Professional game get a majority. 55% for the amateur or am I making it to simple. 
  • nine member federations with 55% of the vote
  • nine A-League club representatives with 28% of the vote
  • one PFA member holding 7% of the vote, and
  • ten Women's Council members with 10% of the vote.
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Bbut is that a fair split between the A League and the Federations given the numbers represented by each? I would of thought that as long as neither side has the means to unduely influence the other side, that would be fine. Would depend on the A League having autonomy though.

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The A-league generates the biggest percentage of the FFA income. (Why Lowy won't  let go of control)

How much filters down to the grass roots is the concern of the Fab Four.

A-league independence must come and imo the 2nd tier must be independent. Both could be run by boards.

Some asking why only 9 A-League members, they forget Nix is not an Australian team, so no right to influence governance.  

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"As FFA chairman Steven Lowy famously said in November last year, it's all about money and power."

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Blew.2 wrote:

The A-league generates the biggest percentage of the FFA income. (Why Lowy won't  let go of control)

How much filters down to the grass roots is the concern of the Fab Four.

A-league independence must come and imo the 2nd tier must be independent. Both could be run by boards.

Some asking why only 9 A-League members, they forget Nix is not an Australian team, so no right to influence governance.  

re A League income, how do you know that? I thought the TV deal incorporated all of the national senior and agegroup teams as well. Im not doubting that the A League is a cash cow to the FFA but wondered if there is an actual published breakdown out there.
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Blew.2 wrote:

The A-league generates the biggest percentage of the FFA income. (Why Lowy won't  let go of control)

How much filters down to the grass roots is the concern of the Fab Four.

A-league independence must come and imo the 2nd tier must be independent. Both could be run by boards.

Some asking why only 9 A-League members, they forget Nix is not an Australian team, so no right to influence governance.  

re A League income, how do you know that? I thought the TV deal incorporated all of the national senior and agegroup teams as well. Im not doubting that the A League is a cash cow to the FFA but wondered if there is an actual published breakdown out there.

This is the transparency problem the FFA have with the A-League clubs. Very knowledgeable people on another forum have got the break down for the A-league Fox deal. Socceroos, age group and Matildas are sorted separately according to them.  

EDIT: FIFA sell the rights to their competitions 

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Blew.2 wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

FFA Letter to the CRWG Chair out lining disagreements

It appears most of what Lowy wants is total control of the A-League($$$$$$$$)

  Can't see the Professional game get a majority. 55% for the amateur or am I making it to simple. 
  • nine member federations with 55% of the vote
  • nine A-League club representatives with 28% of the vote
  • one PFA member holding 7% of the vote, and
  • ten Women's Council members with 10% of the vote.

  Ozzy forumites concerned AAFC, support the reform but have no say in the vote. Unless the NLWG brings them in for 2019/20

AAFC Welcomes Reform

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scribbler wrote:

How can FFA go ahead with expanding the A-League with this hanging over their heads? Common Sense would dictate waiting till A-League governance has been sorted out, but maybe Common Sense will not even make the bench and end up playing Left Back in the dressing shed.

"Common Sense" is a very loose term to put it mildly. What is sensible to one person might be utter b/s to another.

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Fledgling pressure group Football Supporters Australia are bitterly disappointed the FIFA-instigated Congress Review Working Group into the FFA has overlooked fans.

I have had this thought and Ozzies don't agree:  Grassroot players (teams) are looked after by their club. NPL Players (teams) are looked after by their Club who intern look to the federations to represent them at FFA level. Fans maybe 80% would be players at some level so are aligned to a club. 20% would be members(fans only)  A-league clubs(franchises are not look after by a federation) so look for direct input (Votes) at FFA level. (Most HAL clubs look after fans views)   

Why do they need separate input for NPL (Votes) and Fans(Votes) at FFA level.

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FIFA can play hard ball - If FFA use Commercial Laws to try and stop the CRWG recommendations being introduced. 

OFFICIAL: FIFA has given the government of Ghana up till 27th August 2018 to withdraw the Court process on dissolution of GFA or get Ghana banned.

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CRWG not copping any shark



CRWG Update Issued on August 14, 2018

Following the publication of the FIFA mandated Congress Review Working Group (‘CRWG’) Report on the 7thof August 2018 - the CRWG Members representing the Member Federations, the APFCA and the PFA, wish to provide the following information to the Australian football community, in response to the comments recently made by the Board and Management of Football Federation Australia.

Board and management of FFA comment:

The proposed model excessively weights votes towards “professional” football at the expense of “grassroots” football and effectively would allow the professional game when acting as a block to dictate the election of directors to the FFA Board

CRWG context:

This assertion is without merit and without substance.

The FIFA mandated CRWG was tasked with establishing a more representative and balanced Congress for Australian football. This task included the need to embrace existing (including member federations, A and W League clubs, and players) and future (women’s football, NPL clubs, coaches, referees, futsal, fans and the like) stakeholders who previously have not had a voice or vote in the leadership of Australian football.

In ensuring full compliance in addressing FIFA’s mandated Terms of Reference, one of the key parameters of the CRWG was to make certain that no stakeholder group held a controlling interest in the game’s governance, especially in relation to electing directors (per Mr Luca Nicola - FIFA email to Mark Falvo - FFA on 15 March 2017).

Given that the current FFA Statutes require a ‘Prescribed Majority’ (being 60%) of the Congress to elect a director, and the member federations (who represent the ‘grassroots’) held 90%, it was mandated that the recommendations of the CRWG should not allow the member federations (or any other stakeholder group) to hold 60% or more of the Congress vote.

Importantly, the A-League Clubs and Professional Footballers Australia acknowledged and supported the importance of the ‘grassroots’ perpetually retaining the majority of Australian football’s Congress.

As such, the CRWG Report provides and recommends for the existing ‘grassroots’ representatives, being the member federations, to retain more than a simple majority of the Congress (being 55%).

Regarding the election of directors, the CRWG Report provides and recommends a healthy and robust system that:

  • establishes a strong Director competencies and skills matrix (including a requirement to demonstrate tangible commitment and understanding of football);
  • the establishment of an independent Nominations Committee to qualify applicant nominations;
  • requires at least two members (from different stakeholder groups) to nominate and endorse a nomination for a candidate for election to the FFA Board; and
  • requires more than one stakeholder group to ultimately elect directors.

Furthermore, and for the first time in Australian football, the CRWG Report recommends for additional direct input through the representatives of grassroots and community football participating in the Grassroots & Community Football Committee, which provides advice directly to the board and management of FFA.

Board and management of FFA comment:

The proposed model grants A-League clubs, acting as a block, the ability to veto amendments to the FFA Constitution

CRWG context:

This assertion is without merit and without substance.

The CRWG recognised the inherent governance risk that any group of Congress members representing one stakeholder group and holding more than 25% of the Congress votes could ‘veto’ a special resolution thought in the best and long-term interests of Australian football.

Therefore, the CRWG Report provides and recommends that a special resolution can only be rejected on the support of more than 25% of the Congress and where members across two or more stakeholder groups were party to such denial.

Most importantly, the CRWG Report’s recommendation should ensure that any future special resolution proposed is consulted with all stakeholders, with the requisite support attracted, before being presented to members at a General Meeting.

Board and management of FFA comment:

The proposed model delivers PFA a disproportionately greater voting representation than each Member Federation

CRWG context:

This assertion is without merit and without substance and is inconsistent with the Congress model submitted to CRWG by the board and management of FFA.

One of the most significant challenges to producing a set of recommendations in the best and long-term interests of Australian football required those members elected to the CRWG to set aside ‘historic entitlements’ based on contribution or size.

To deliver this environment, requires those member federations who represent more than 80% of total registered players, coaches, referees and clubs and who contribute financially to the FFA annually – to accept and share equal voting rights to those member federations who represent less than 20% of all participants and are financial beneficiaries of the FFA.

This demonstration of setting the game before self-interest was a keystone achievement of the CRWG recommendations – and one upon which all other recommendations of the CRWG have been founded.

Moreover, the FIFA mandated CRWG acknowledged the strong intellectual contribution and active advocacy for all levels of Australian football Professional Footballers Australia has delivered over twenty-five years.

Additionally, in modelling submitted to and for the consideration of the CRWG on 27 July, the board and management of FFA proposed 7 direct votes for the PFA, which is consistent with the recommendations tabled within the CRWG Report to FIFA (and the AFC).

Board and management of FFA comment:

The Women’s Council appears to extend the voting reach of other stakeholders at the expense of a truly independent voice for the women’s game

CRWG context:

Regrettably, since Football Federation Australia’s deregistration of the Australian Women’s Soccer Association in 2003, there has not existed an independent, and appropriately constituted and governed women’s football representative body contributing to the game’s leadership.

Tasked with the responsibility of addressing this void, and the need for establishing an environment that entrenches the involvement of women in the leadership of Australian football, the CRWG sought the input of many stakeholders on the matter of women’s representation within the leadership of Australian football, including Women’s Onside, all member federations, the PFA and of course, the board and management of FFA.

During these discussions, no single evident and clearly practical model satisfying each of these objectives was found, requiring the CRWG and its contributing stakeholders to develop an entirely tailored set of governance platforms and systems.

To that end, the CRWG Report provides and recommends for establishing women’s leadership in football on three main tenets, being:

  • a gender equity charter, mandating a 40/40/20 gender principle, that for the first time embeds gender equity at all levels of Australian football’s leadership;
  • the establishment of a Football Women’s Council, which as an individual stakeholder holds more votes than any other Congress member; and
  • establishes the role of the Women’s Football Council as a strong advisory support to the board and management of the FFA.

Moreover, to invalidate any perceived risk of any extension or proxy of the voting rights of other stakeholders, the CRWG Report provides and recommends for each member of the Women’s Football Council to also carry individual votes.

Additionally, the Women’s Football Council would be chaired by an independent.

Ultimately, the CRWG Report both satisfies the expectations Article 15J of the FIFA Statutes (Principles of Representative Democracy) as mandated by FIFA, and embeds the strongest attention to addressing gender equity in Australian football’s leadership.

Significantly, the pathway system for new stakeholders recommended by the CRWG Report provides for new and independent women’s football members to be established and admitted to the Women’s Football Council, which collectively hold ten percent (10%) of Congress.

Board and management of FFA comment:

The proposed model does not sufficiently broaden the membership of FFA at the outset - to this end, the FFA Board was supportive of the immediate admission of special interest groups including AAFC in light of the importance of NPL Clubs in the Australian football ecosystem

CRWG context:

Since 2003, Football Federation Australia has not formally considered or invited any new stakeholder to participate as a voting member and have never established any pathway for the introduction of new stakeholders. This was also rejected by the FFA at the most recent FFA AGM in November 2017.

Rather than simply recommending for the inclusion of new stakeholders, many of whom have not been established yet, the CRWG set upon designing and delivering a clear and definitive pathway and process for any new stakeholder to becoming a voting member of the FFA.

This pathway would require any new stakeholder to demonstrate ‘institutional integrity’, by satisfying a set of distinct qualifying requirements.

The CRWG acknowledged the emergence of potential Members, such as the AAFC, a dedicated women’s special interest group, fans and coaches and the possibility of additional groups forming such as futsal, for whom this process was designed.

The value and purpose of establishing such a system is two-fold:

  • to provide a transparent structured pathway for new stakeholders to become Members, and
  • to establish a strong system that always protects the game and its members by requiring new Congress Members to demonstrate organisational and representative integrity, longevity and competence.

On the matter of the AAFC, the CRWG commends the incredible work that body has undertaken, and the milestones already achieved for their members, the NPL clubs, who are so integral to the competition and player development framework of the member federations.

The CRWG met numerous times with representatives of the AAFC, inviting and welcoming their contribution to the pathway process ultimately recommended by the CRWG Report, of which they have been acknowledged as having progressed significantly, including achieving the status that would see their immediate participation in standing committees.

Board and management of FFA comment:

The proposed pathway to an alternate A-League model is inconsistent with the foundational good governance principle that independent directors should manage the affairs of FFA in accordance with their fiduciary duties in the interests of FFA. The proposed pathway instead blurs the role between Board and Congress decision-making. The FFA Board instead proposed a process which preserves the roles and responsibilities of each stakeholder while consulting with all stakeholders throughout the process before a final vote of the Congress on the proposed A-League model.

CRWG context:

Whilst acknowledging the pathway proposed by the board and management of FFA, the CRWG also sought the contribution of parties holding expertise and experience in matters of establishing, leading and managing professional leagues internationally.

The outcomes of these contributors created the recommendations contained in the report that - notwithstanding the model to be developed - the relevant key stakeholders of Australian football should be involved in the design of the new League Model through the establishment and then direct participation in a New League Working Group (working title only).

The CRWG recognised that the New League Working Group would yield a model that was truly reflective of the needs of the Australian football stakeholders and one that would further unite the Australian game.

Moreover, and more significantly, the CRWG Report provides and recommends that the FFA Congress shall be the ultimate legislative body for any resolution to establishing an alternate A-League model – not solely the board and management of FFA – to protect the rights of and relationship to the grassroots.

Reassuringly, the system of decision-making recommended in the CRWG Report is established as a demonstration of strong governance and transparency and supported by the FIFA Statutes.

14 Aug 2018

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Good to have this out in the open. I'm still not convinced regarding the balance of power between the pro and grassroots parts of the game. I don't think the CRWG commentary will change the minds of anyone else concerned about it either.

What I do think is that this will possibly be one area where tweaks will be made to [at the very least] remove any perception that the pro game can [push through their own agenda to the detriment of the rest. That is really only likely to be satisfied with a change in he split of representatives put forward by CRWG.

Unfortunate situation though given the current FFA history, everyone has to be really careful that the new structure doesn't allow the likes of this crowd[Lowy etc] manipulating the system for their own benefit either. 

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Good to have this out in the open. I'm still not convinced regarding the balance of power between the pro and grassroots parts of the game. I don't think the CRWG commentary will change the minds of anyone else concerned about it either.

What I do think is that this will possibly be one area where tweaks will be made to [at the very least] remove any perception that the pro game can [push through their own agenda to the detriment of the rest. That is really only likely to be satisfied with a change in he split of representatives put forward by CRWG.

Unfortunate situation though given the current FFA history, everyone has to be really careful that the new structure doesn't allow the likes of this crowd[Lowy etc] manipulating the system for their own benefit either. 

  Some considered thoughts on power balance in here
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Lowry has jumped before he was pushed, still feel Gallop will try fight to the end but it feels like the change will finally happen

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/17/ffa-...

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This will possibly bring the whole matter to a close, Gallop is only an employee, he will do whatever he is told by the boss of the day. I don't see him as a threat at all going forward, except as an capable administrator that might be working for someone that shares Lowy's views.

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Yakcall wrote:

Lowry has jumped before he was pushed, still feel Gallop will try fight to the end but it feels like the change will finally happen

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/17/ffa-...

  Lowy also fired parting shots at some of the A-League owners, including the City Football Group, who own Melbourne City.

“We welcome foreign investment in our league. It is more than welcome; it is crucial. But when it comes to the whole of the game, it should not be controlled by ­foreign interests. That is what is at stake here.

“To those who are tired of the debate and wish for an outbreak of peace so that the game can get on with life, I say: be very careful what you wish for.”

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Blew.2 wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Lowry has jumped before he was pushed, still feel Gallop will try fight to the end but it feels like the change will finally happen

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/17/ffa-...

  Lowy also fired parting shots at some of the A-League owners, including the City Football Group, who own Melbourne City.

“We welcome foreign investment in our league. It is more than welcome; it is crucial. But when it comes to the whole of the game, it should not be controlled by ­foreign interests. That is what is at stake here.

“To those who are tired of the debate and wish for an outbreak of peace so that the game can get on with life, I say: be very careful what you wish for.”

Blame Game

To be fair, as dodgy as the Lowys have been, that's not exactly an empty statement. Giving too much powers to clubs, especially when a number of them are foreign-owned, has bitten many a national association on the arse in the last decade or two.

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el grapadura wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Lowry has jumped before he was pushed, still feel Gallop will try fight to the end but it feels like the change will finally happen

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/17/ffa-...

  Lowy also fired parting shots at some of the A-League owners, including the City Football Group, who own Melbourne City.

“We welcome foreign investment in our league. It is more than welcome; it is crucial. But when it comes to the whole of the game, it should not be controlled by ­foreign interests. That is what is at stake here.

“To those who are tired of the debate and wish for an outbreak of peace so that the game can get on with life, I say: be very careful what you wish for.”

Blame Game

To be fair, as dodgy as the Lowys have been, that's not exactly an empty statement. Giving too much powers to clubs, especially whn a number of them are foreign-owned, has bitten many a national association on the arse in the last decade or two.

From memory the A-League vote in the CRWG proposal is 28% which keeps control a cross a broader base.
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Yakcall wrote:

Lowry has jumped before he was pushed, still feel Gallop will try fight to the end but it feels like the change will finally happen

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/17/ffa-...

Interesting to see who will step into that role. And assuming Gallop has lost a supporter with Lowry going, will he be next? Here's hoping!

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scribbler wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Lowry has jumped before he was pushed, still feel Gallop will try fight to the end but it feels like the change will finally happen

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/17/ffa-...

Interesting to see who will step into that role. And assuming Gallop has lost a supporter with Lowry going, will he be next? Here's hoping!

Since come out that he isn't actually going until November at the board meeting, he is just not putting himself up for nomination.

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But hanging on till the new HAL expansion teams are announced, and presumably set in stone. A decision that should be made by the new, independent HAL when it becomes a reality in the near future.  

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scribbler wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

But hanging on till the new HAL expansion teams are announced, and presumably set in stone. A decision that should be made by the new, independent HAL when it becomes a reality in the near future.  

  Waiting for the Press conference  And his words on the EGM! 

"Lowy will hold a press conference at 11am (AEST) at the FFA headquarters in Sydney."

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Lowy Words - My choice was to wait until the last minute to announce my intention, or do so now and provide time and space for stakeholders to consider these momentous issues knowing exactly where I stand.

But in making this announcement now, rather than waiting until the deadline, I want to make it clear that I would not, under any circumstances, wish to serve in a governance structure where independence was compromised.

The Congress Review Working Group has proposed a model that would do just that.

Acting as a bloc, as they have done throughout this process, the professional game and only two of the States could control the Congress and therefore the election of directors to the FFA board.

Steven that is how you blocked the last EGM motion, You worked as block with stakeholders representing 18% of players 

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But at an explosive press conference in Sydney today where he blasted moves to overhaul the sport's governance, he refused to unequivocally say he would definitely stand down.

"What I've said is that I don't intend to seek re election," he told FourFourTwo. "The future is unclear..."

LOWY'S ALL-IN QUIT PLOY TO PUT PRESSURE ON FFA REFORMS

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Blew.2 wrote:

But at an explosive press conference in Sydney today where he blasted moves to overhaul the sport's governance, he refused to unequivocally say he would definitely stand down.

"What I've said is that I don't intend to seek re election," he told FourFourTwo. "The future is unclear..."

LOWY'S ALL-IN QUIT PLOY TO PUT PRESSURE ON FFA REFORMS

Australian football is only marginally less dysfunctional than Australian politics. 

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scribbler wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

But at an explosive press conference in Sydney today where he blasted moves to overhaul the sport's governance, he refused to unequivocally say he would definitely stand down.

"What I've said is that I don't intend to seek re election," he told FourFourTwo. "The future is unclear..."

LOWY'S ALL-IN QUIT PLOY TO PUT PRESSURE ON FFA REFORMS

Australian football is only marginally less dysfunctional racist than Australian politics. 

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I'm predicting there are still surprises in store as this game plays out.

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also as someone pointed out united now against the FFA, but after that what are going to be the common goals and guarantees 

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I'm predicting there are still surprises in store as this game plays out.

Agreed. The Lowy Family have a history of doing things that benefit themselves.

Lowy's vs FIFA. Now there's an event worth waiting for. The most corrupt group in the world taking on Football's Governing Body!

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Wot does this mean for Wellington??? Surely it has to be good out come or is it Gallop's call on our fate>?

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Nix  backing indendent A-League bootsNall -  EPL models is best I can figure.

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