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PaulSG
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2nd NZ franchise in the A-League. Would it work?

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PaulSG
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Just wondered what anyone thought the chances of were of a second Kiwi team being admitted into the A-League anytime soon? Without doubt, Auckland and Christchurch could both support such a venture (stadia, population base etc), but would it ever happen?

Canada now has three teams in the MLS and, although there is a difference in population and money, would it be a realistic option for NZ to go this route?

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james dean
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I really do think it could work (emphasis on the could) but I think you'd need to wait another 5-10 years until 1. the A-League is really bedded down as a competition 2. the phoenix cuts the apron strings to NZF completely
 
Needs to have a proper identity i.e. Chch or Akl (not some NZ mishmash that plays all over the country which I could see being proposed).
 
But I would preface that with 2 simple things that make it a success
 
1. need a good stadium to play at
 
2. need good people running and owning the club
 
Without those, it cannot work - zero % chance.
 
I liken it to the warriors.  They are hugely popular all over the country, their popularity is so great that you could see another club in Wgtn for example being really succesful.  But that's because the warriors are 10 years ahead of the Phoenix and would see another team as a positive thing rather than a threat

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3rd thing that needs to happen - NZ either moves into Asia or Oceania and Asia merge

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terminator_x
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Just wondering JD - what apron strings does the Phoenix currently have to NZF?

George Costanza
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Already numerous threads in the past about this, could an old one not have been dug up?

It is their competition, why should NZ get another team before another Australian team?  Auckland have proved they can't support an A-League team, as well as supporting the Breakers and the Warriors, Blues and whatever other teams are up there.  No one has enough money in this country or enough passion to take the losses. And there is simply not enough support in Auckland or Christchurch to warrant people going to 13 games a season. The A-League has enough problems as it is, do I  need to mention Gold Coast United and Newcastle?

Would I like to see another team, sure but as JD said won't be happening in the next 5-10 years, if at all. 

I can't see Asia wanting to absorb Oceania.



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Asia would have to split in 2 for a start!For instance how could Samoa afford to travel to Iran? Plus from a New Zealand perspective I think we are better off staying out - effectively giving our age-group and womens teams direct access to World Cups, and the AWs direct to confeds cup and easy path to the WC. Obviously its not ideal being in Oceania but I think all things considered it works in our favour

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would need a massive amount of support in Aussie you would think. After all the nearly sides there are there, and the sides that have fallen by the wayside a lot of aussie would be pissed if they can't drive 40 minutes to see football, but NZ has got two teams...

pacy

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Asia would have to split in 2 for a start!For instance how could Samoa afford to travel to Iran?
It's essentially managed as two different parts as it is.
 
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

james dean
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terminator_x wrote:
Just wondering JD - what apron strings does the Phoenix currently have to NZF?
Well the RH two roles means that the club and the national body are still entwined - NZF pays [art of his salary etc.  Up until the new ownership there were regular liquidity arrangements entered into, bridging loans etc.  Probably right that is naturally coming to an end but throughout Terry's involvement there was a fair amount of involvement.  All I'm meaning really is that you couldn't have any impression that NZF favoured one team over the othyer, you'd want to see complete separation. james dean2012-04-20 21:14:55

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Why would Asia have to split or merge with Oceania? If a team is happy to play without a shot at the ACL, and are well funded, then FFA would take them on in a heart beat.

Id even go so far as saying if some millionaire decided tonight that he wants to prop up an Auckland franchise for the next 5 years, FFA would take that on and it would be a done deal by the end of next week. Theyre desperate to not spend/lose money on the A-League.
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Junior82 wrote:
Asia would have to split in 2 for a start!For instance how could Samoa afford to travel to Iran?
It's essentially managed as two different parts as it is.
 
 

I think you'd find that even if we did merge, the Island nations would only ever play each other anyway. FIFA dont pull friendlies out of a hat. And if they couldnt afford to travel then they wouldnt. Whats the worst that could happen? Not play in the Asia Cup? Theyre not doing that now so they wouldnt be any worse off. They'd still have things like the Pacific Games and the Oceania nations cup would probably still exist in some capacity. Thats pretty much it as it is currently, again they wouldnt be any worse off.
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Well for world cup qualifiers it would be tricky.
terminator_x
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james dean wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
Just wondering JD - what apron strings does the Phoenix currently have to NZF?
Well the RH two roles means that the club and the national body are still entwined - NZF pays [art of his salary etc.  Up until the new ownership there were regular liquidity arrangements entered into, bridging loans etc.  Probably right that is naturally coming to an end but throughout Terry's involvement there was a fair amount of involvement.  All I'm meaning really is that you couldn't have any impression that NZF favoured one team over the othyer, you'd want to see complete separation.


Yeah, the Ricki Herbert dual role was the only entanglement I could think of.

Quite right that you wouldn't want any conflict of interest, although it's never stopped the FFA running a club when they need to.

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rjmiller wrote:
Well for world cup qualifiers it would be tricky.

It would be easy enough to fix. Organise a simple home and away system with a direct knock out to weed out the likes of Samoa, Tonga etc... then bring the winners of those games in with Round 2 of Asia, and go from there. Very likely that the rest would get knocked out straight away and it would only cost them one away match somewhere in Asia. The harsh reality of it all is that at some stage they will need to expect to pay for travel, or why else contend for the WC?
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Nothing until 2015. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/soccer/freeze-on-a-league-expansion-to-get-soccer-in-order/story-e6frfg8x-1226325366966

RR
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Previous failures dominate discussions of a possible Hyundai A-League expansion in Auckland, with local experts quick to hose down any expectations - but there are examples of how it could work.

With the Phoenix coming to town to play Perth on February 2, the question about expansion in New Zealand has resurfaced, but the problems experienced by the Football Kingz and New Zealand Knights, the ashes from which the Phoenix arose, are still raw in the minds of locals.

And veteran Auckland journalist Terry Maddaford says those same obstacles stand in the way on any New Zealand expansion enterprise, even with other codes showing the right strategy can pay off.

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/Auckland-expansion-remains-distant-hope/58935

George Costanza
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I'm actually sick of this story, not your fault RR.  Do they not understand that the FFA are not expanding at least til 2015?  so it's a moot discussion.  I'm not sure what crowd is going to show up at Eden park.  But it won't be close to 20k

Edited by George Costanza January 28, 2013 23:46
Azevo
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When pigs fly and elephants shit gold.

We will never fully decide who has won the football.

RR
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I'm actually sick of this story, not your fault RR.  Do they not understand that the FFA are not expanding at least til 2015?  so it's a moot discussion.  I'm not sure what crowd is going to show up at Eden park.  But it won't be close to 20k

I get what you are saying, but long term Auckland is too big to ignore.

Not sure 2015 is achievable, but I would hope we see a serious bid by 2020. Any bid needs to evolve more naturally than someone like Owen Glenn just throwing a pile of cash at it. Auckland should want a team, rather than just trying to build it and hope they will come.

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