Things that piss you off...

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coochiee wrote:

paulm wrote:

What is the definition of hate speech? Is there a legal one? 

I always get frustrated arguing specific examples of what is or isn't hate speech, when it's such a subjective thing.

It generally always leads to "well if you haven't been oppressed by this particular thing then you don't know what it's like, so you're not allowed an opinion".

Does there need to be a legal definition?

Let’s say I’m gay. Israel Folau says I should go to hell. Sounds a bit hateful to me.

If you tell a nazi to go to hell is that hate speech? Or is some hate speech ok?

And if some hate speech is considered ok and some isn't then that means the whole concept of hate speech is subjective rather than based on absolute laws. Dodgy as.

This isn't about freedom of speech really this is about one set of people trying to enforce their values onto others imo

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Tegal wrote:

So him saying gays should burn in hell is ok. But people reacting negatively to that view is ridiculous? 

He is “100% free to portray his belief” but when people react and portray their belief that he’s wrong, they’re being ridiculous? 

My understanding is he didn't say they should burn in hell he said that according to the bible that is where gay people are going to go when they die. I don't follow his social media account so please correct me if I am wrong.

Saying someone "should burn in hell" is quite different to saying someone is going to "end up in hell according to what the bible preaches". 

One is a direct person to person comment the other is someone outlining what they think will happen according to what they believe to be true. ie one is an active and one is a passive comment. Again big difference.

I believe what he said was a passive reference to what he thinks will happen according to how he interprets the bible and I don't have a problem with that.

Why? Because I don't believe in any christian god for starters and concepts like heaven and hell mean nothing to me, If israel thinks someone is being sent to a place which I don't even believe exists then big deal.

And even if he did say gays should burn in hell, big deal, let him have his opinion. Or are people so thin skinned these days that they cannot tolerate any opinion that falls outside of their "safe space"?  If you are hurt by other peoples opinions on social media then I really think you need to get a grip.

Move on, nothing to see here!

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typical Australians let him off lightly as well. Play on son, no worries

Says something about that bigoted country

It’s more he is the highest profile rugby player in Australia, a genuine crowd puller and no doubt on very big money.

As the ARU boss Raelene Casle (a Kiwi) has said, this drama is the biggest challenge of her career in sports admin.

Given she previously worked in NRL, and all shenanigans those players get up to, that’s saying something.

Hopefully he stops his tweets. Rugby struggling in Australia, and ARU can’t afford this to drag on. Must be ‘a bringing the game into disrepute’ clause in his contract. I’m sure the ARU have their lawyers looking at it.

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Tegal wrote:

So him saying gays should burn in hell is ok. But people reacting negatively to that view is ridiculous? 

He is “100% free to portray his belief” but when people react and portray their belief that he’s wrong, they’re being ridiculous? 

My understanding is he didn't say they should burn in hell he said that according to the bible that is where gay people are going to go when they die. I don't follow his social media account so please correct me if I am wrong.

Saying someone "should burn in hell" is quite different to saying someone is going to "end up in hell according to what the bible preaches". 

One is a direct person to person comment the other is someone outlining what they think will happen according to what they believe to be true. ie one is an active and one is a passive comment. Again big difference.

I believe what he said was a passive reference to what he thinks will happen according to how he interprets the bible and I don't have a problem with that.

Why? Because I don't believe in any christian god for starters and concepts like heaven and hell mean nothing to me, If israel thinks someone is being sent to a place which I don't even believe exists then big deal.

And even if he did say gays should burn in hell, big deal, let him have his opinion. Or are people so thin skinned these days that they cannot tolerate any opinion that falls outside of their "safe space"?  If you are hurt by other peoples opinions on social media then I really think you need to get a grip.

Move on, nothing to see here!

you are correct, his comment was a) an answer to a very direct and specific question about what the bible said about gay people and b) essentially his answer was a direct quote from the bible, which said something along the lines of gay people will burn in hell - I think he even cited the book passage in the bible.

I like you am all for freedom of speech and fully support people's right to believe what they want. Folau believes this and unless sked he doesnt seem to push his beliefs onto anyone - although of late he has been a little more vocal on this particular topic.

The media slander of his belief has created it's own hate speech against him.

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coochiee wrote:

paulm wrote:

What is the definition of hate speech? Is there a legal one? 

I always get frustrated arguing specific examples of what is or isn't hate speech, when it's such a subjective thing.

It generally always leads to "well if you haven't been oppressed by this particular thing then you don't know what it's like, so you're not allowed an opinion".

Does there need to be a legal definition?

Only if there are going to be legal consequences, or if people are going to be silenced officially somehow. 

Otherwise, no need.

In this case, we are talking about legal ramifications, like Folau potentially being dismissed by the ARU or something similar. And some people are advocating for the things he said to be legislated against in some way. 

If any of those things are to happen, then a legal definition becomes 100% necessary. 

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When you hear the words "I wish I had more time to do things I want to do" come out of the mouth of someone who has babysitting services of family members on tap!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Air New Zealand

Two hour delay overseas waiting for plane to arrive

fair cop, shark happens, planes break down and have experienced much much worse

But on each occasion a flight has been delayed there is always been an apology a few minutes into the flight from the captain.

It doesn't take much to apologise and provide a reason

This time zilch, nada, nothing,

It was only with 15 minutes to go and I called the head steward and asked if anyone was going to apologise to the 200 passengers that right at the end of the flight she did a timid apology but with no reason for the delay

Disgusting first impressions to NZ for those whom haven't been here before and I won't be booking our national carrier any time soon if it doesn't occur to them to say sorry for a  two hour delay 

Auckland will rise once more

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Air New Zealand

Two hour delay overseas waiting for plane to arrive

fair cop, shark happens, planes break down and have experienced much much worse

But on each occasion a flight has been delayed there is always been an apology a few minutes into the flight from the captain.

It doesn't take much to apologise and provide a reason

This time zilch, nada, nothing,

It was only with 15 minutes to go and I called the head steward and asked if anyone was going to apologise to the 200 passengers that right at the end of the flight she did a timid apology but with no reason for the delay

Disgusting first impressions to NZ for those whom haven't been here before and I won't be booking our national carrier any time soon if it doesn't occur to them to say sorry for a  two hour delay 

You're going to have a great time flying with Jetstar!

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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Now that Mana Bus has folded, Flying to Auckland seems the only viable method or driving. "Intercity" can get fudgeed for screwing over Mana via the courts. Why they just didn't approach the company, only Lawyers know. But there's now no competition so Intercity can raise their prices to match airfares. 

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few other options like naked bus?

Queenslander 3x a year

theprof
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"media" people who cannot spell or formulate a semi-decent sentence.

Queenslander 3x a year

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theprof wrote:

few other options like naked bus?

oh wait, nevermind I see that mana bus owned naked bus and Ritchies who owns intercity has bought both.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105604316/the-last-ride-manabus-closed-its-doors-to-travellers-on-sunday

Queenslander 3x a year

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This is the sort of thing that drives me nuts.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?...

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Nearly everyone would be guilty of that one!

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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From Stuff

And the point of the article is? Beginning to think the writer has a problem with the Nix and is throwing negative vibes their way.

148 games  148 games

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to be honest, the bigger surprise to me was Manchester United not being in the top 10 clubs. 

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Lordy, Michael Utting, what an absolute disgrace https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/sunday/clips/the-catch

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I don't condone what he has done. I also feel that this is not a story. The guy is obviously a basketcase but other than the fact he is a two-bit famous sports star, this is no different than others have done but are they getting featured as the main story on Sunday? I watched it, he accepted he owed the cash, said he is sorry for the pain he has caused and has paid one back.

He's guilty of nothing more than being a dick but the level of publicity the story has gotten to is silly.

Its no different than anyone else getting a blow job in the toilet, except when Aaron Smith does it............

Grumpy old bastard alert

Lonegunmen
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The cheapshark Media Works ripoff show called "Gogglebox New Zealand" which at the time it was made, they only did Auckland based houses cause it was cheaper than doing the whole country. It should have been called "Gogglebox Auckland". Anyway, the UK version was brilliant but from the promo's of this new show, one senses a waste of time, unless of course you're an Aucklander and know some of the participants.

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