Media Coverage Overall

The Tournament should be renamed the Confederations Club Championship or something similar

You are right - in context. The AWs were the only undefeated team in WC2010 but its about context. Which goes back to the point I made before, are they are 3-4 week team or a team that's outstanding across x games of quality opposition. If they played those 7 teams on a rotational basis across 4 rounds, how would they go? Its not about that though. They won on their day and they get deserved credit for that. The Phoenix can't do that and are finding out through crowd numbers that NZ people do not support losers. This year they look to be finally getting a hold of themselves and playing at a level which is good but they are still inconsistent and not a team that does it 27 weeks across a competition - yet.

To put it another manner and back to the point I made about NZ supporting this, if the competition they play in, the ASBP was really of outstanding quality and ACFC (and others) did that every week, we'd have decent coverage and patronage at this competition. I mean the Weenix WaiBOP game on TV was yet again, another televised pile of.......

My point was about them realising they do have an audience, but if you read the Herald daily you wouldn't think there was any football played in New Zealand at all.

TV3 - not correct: Ricki Herbert got the key to the city after the qualification for 2010 WC.  There was a parade and all.  Kerry Prendergast presented the key.

http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/brendon-mccullum-rece...

http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=26091

Pretty sure that One News just didn't mention the Nix at all on their sports news just now - although I may have missed it when I was very briefly out of the room

correct. Not a mention from the grinning idiot Saville

Sweet fark all tonight. I guess we aren't doing well enough to get a mention , we are only in second place after all :\

Good coverage on 3.

Game was finishing close to when the sports news was broadcast last night.

Showed the goals.

Was that on TV One?

TV 3 had an excellent item last night featuring Brocks.

Compare the dribble  off the typewriters of the likes if Worthington and Malcolmson with thate produced by Kate Cohen.

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In TV3's case, is it just because Andrew Gourdie and Simon Hampton are football fans that they want/are pushing to do these sorts of stories?

I notice AG sometimes drops in football related adlibs at the end of the sports when he's doing it if there hasn't been a piece during.

Have been having the odd glance at NZHerald, Stuff and NZTV-One ..

From [and by no means an in depth] look the Asian Cup is struggling for traction in the media in NZ... gotta say even over hear in the lead up to it and before we started winning it was poor, most reporting over here seems to be about the Socceroos not the AC itself nor the other Asian teams...

Am I wrong or is there simply to much other sport going on and the AC is struggling for media space... 

All Whites aren't in Asia. Should NZ cover the African Cup of Nations too?

to be fair what interest is there in NZ for North Korea v Uzbekistan?

Can see your point and given NZ is not in it adds to the complexity...

Having said that and remember Australian Coverage of the AC has been poor .... what does that say about us [Australian and NZ] when the biggest sporting and cultural event in Asia is not ignored but given scant coverage ... As I said Australia's position is degrees worst as we have the ACL on our home soil and are playing in it... 

The last couple of days we have had pages on the Socceroo's but little on other teams and the AC itself ... other than, who the  past winners are, and to date some very decent crowds for some matches ... yet not much reporting ... I hope it gets better ...

Anyway was just wondering if it had any traction in NZ... 

amongst the absolute football nuts yes. Aside from that, nope. Maybe once it progreesses to knockout stages? The reality is from some of the games I have seen there has not been a whole lot to get excited about (as a neutral)

How is Australia's coverage of the OFC Nations cup usually?

If Nathan Burns didn't get selected for the Socceroos there would pretty much be zero coverage in the media at all, and that's the correct decision from the media outlet. Hell, even the Euro's get relegated to the bottom third of a page buried within the sports section.

Tad defensive but key games get reported ... bit of a difference in that the AFC has over 4.5 billion people some of the world biggest economics and the worlds main Oil supplies... 

My comment was more in Australia we will report on US, England, European issues ... we actually are in Asia Indonesia is closer than NZ .. 

To me is almost like the media [not confined to Football]  still want the world to be like the 60's... 

Russia is closer to the USA than it is to Ireland. Iran is closer to Greece than it is to China. Egypt is closer to Saudi Arabia than it is to Namibia. 

Geographical proximity doesn't mean you're on the same continent. And I don't really get your point anyway, no one on this thread said Australia shouldn't be in Asia.

As for the rest of it, football isn't a headline sport in New Zealand, Asia isn't even close to the most interesting region for neutral football fans, and we're a small country with a limited media market. And what do large populations and oil supplies have to do with whether people in NZ care about their football teams?

I'd love football to get given more media coverage in NZ, but the attitude here towards the Asian Cup is not at all unusual. All Whites games barely rate a mention!

If Fairfax Australia doesn't write it then Fairfax NZ doesn't have any articles to reproduce

That said Sky Sports coverage has been fantastic. They've had all the games live and I've enjoyed getting the football fix with the Phoenix out of action for a while.

Meh... I'd have to say showing all the Phoenix games live should be standard. They are our only prof. football team in the country.

SKY does the minimum, they'd be doing a fantastic job if they had pre/post match analysis and interviews.

What SKY is offering is the mere basics really.

Think he's talking about the Asian Cup coverage, not the Phoenix coverage.

yep enjoying the asian cup. Thanks Sky. Esp now they have the time and score display worked out!

I guess you win I’ll go…

For the love of Mary all I asked was how is the AC going in NZ and then said it’s been poor in Australia and passed no judgements on NZ at all simply asked how was it going…

I also said in a broader context, in Australia we seem to take our news and stories lines from US, English and European sources… yet in Australia all our major trading partners are Asian and the biggest migration groups to Australia are Asian. So when I asked about the population and size was saying WE [meaning our media] seem to wanta ignore Asia aside from trade …. Personally I struggle with why our media is like that ….

Further I conceded as you were not playing in it adds to the complexity…

Never did I say anything about NZ or how it thinks about our Asian membership …

Yeah but you never 'just ask'. There is always an angle with your posts hence the responses you get.

Nice angle from an Oz media outlet: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/asian-c...

 

To answer your original question the media coverage of the Asian Cup has been non-existent. The media coverage of all things football is practically zero except for a weekly story about an English Premier League team or the very occasional snippet about a Kiwi doing something (if it fits in around cricket, rugby and the weather).

I think everyone here got defensive because it's such a commonly understood fact that the media here do fudge all for football that your question felt like a troll.

There are of course journalists in New Zealand who love football dearly: Steve Holloway, Jason Pine, Andrew Gourdie, Simon Hampton, Dan Richardson but I think all of them would acknowledge that the folks up the ladder pulling the strings (picking the stories) could not give one single fudge about the game.

Which is why all discerning football fans listen to Fever's shambolic In The Zone podcast: because it's all they can get!

But why should there be much coverage of the cup when it's not our confederation?

Plenty of online coverage from trad media and football websites.

 

You don't think some coverage would be nice? I mean, we get coverage of the Australian cricket and rugby teams.

It's more relevant to Kiwi football than whether Chelsea beat whoever this weekend.

Thanks Smithy explains a lot and I am moaning about Australia’s coverage must seem lame. My annoyance in Australia is the lack of promotion and pre-tournament media and pre-match analysis aside from the Socceroos but as for general media coverage it’s not bad..

TBH I have never trolled however I do feel that is how I am often perceived..

Although I have bemoaned Australia’s coverage it is getting a lot better than the NSL days when it was nonexistence. Today Australian media is far better some examples of key general sports sites below… no direct Football sites like 442 …

Bye for now and will drop in and look and come back in a few months again Smithy thanks for the post ... 

News Limited

http://www.news.com.au/sport/football

SMH

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer

Channel 9

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/football

ABC TV home page

http://www.abc.net.au/tv

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/connect/newsletter.htm

SBS

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au

The Roar

http://www.theroar.com.au/category/soccer

How is it more relevant?

There are articles on Stuff and the Herald. Sky allegedly shows the games live.

What more do you want?

I go to various overseas websites to find out more about the competition and the teams - there's a cackload of stuff about China (some really good articles on wild east football, and good insider info on sports.sina (in Chinese).  There's also some write up in the Guardian and surprise surprise even local rags in Oz carry stories.

What. More. Do. You. Want?

[*] Haven't really followed either code since the Nix came along, but assume we get coverage of Oz eggball teams because they are ones NZ teams compete against in the super-duper comp.  Don't recall seeing anything about domestic competition teams. 

As far as eggball and cricket national teams go - the pool is so small that we are bound to compete against them several times in the year so I suppose coverage is of interest.

I think it is unlikely that the AWs will play most of the Asian teams in the next few years bar a friendly here and there (although I guess it becomes more helpful if have to qualify for a WC through Asia, but that will be time dependent), so what is the relevance please?

From your link to SMH there are 8 articles on Asian Cup. Two match reports (China-Nth Korea, Uzbek-Saudi), five about the upcoming China-Oz QF, one post-match Postecoglou thoughts. Quite good I thought.

Here's one that has lobbed up a little teaser to ponder:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/socceroos-loss-...

"Mobilising the local Chinese community has been a dream of A-League clubs for years, but it's taken the arrival of the national team to get these fans motivated. Crowds for the games in Brisbane and Canberra have been large, and loud."

I think this line is a bit flawed (posted about this in the crowds thread a few weeks back re ethnic minorities), but the twitter space was banging on about the case for Canberra in the A-League based on the full house for this match.

the games are live - not sure why you have allegedly.

Media coverage is quite click-dependant now.

You can increase the likelihood of the media giving your sport more attention simply by adding to the volume of visits and comments (good or bad) they get on their articles.

Many mainstraem media sites have systems that encourages their journliasts to write more on "hot topics" in order to generate viewers. Propogating their articles via links, and using their comment systes is one way of sending them the message that the readership wants more of certain content. Even if you explicitly comment/ feedback that you don't like the article, they will print more. It's the traffic itself that encourages more content.

Worthington saying we should sell Burns

Phoenix not wealthy enough to refuse Nathan Burns offer

Hard to argue with much of it, especially if the reported buy-out clause at the end of the season is in place.

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