Appiah without the pace
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Howdy all,

Now that the CWC is outta the way, we want to make a massive push to build the biggest bandwagon going around.

The Phoenix are running a social media campaign, where you can win prizes by tweeting and facebooking a certain link. Have a read here and get spamming. https://www.48bricks.com/events/Wellington-Phoenix-FC-2

What else can I do? Good question. The Phoenix are providing match day posters for us to print off and put around the place. Here is the one for the Victory game. https://siggy-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/A4_5_April.pdf. So my plan is to place these around my office each week to try build a bit of interest and chatter. I reckon you should do the same.

#COYN

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2ndBest wrote:

What else can I do? Good question. The Phoenix are providing match day posters for us to print off and put around the place. Here is the one for the Victory game. https://siggy-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/A4_5_April.pdf. So my plan is to place these around my office each week to try build a bit of interest and chatter. I reckon you should do the same.

Deja vu!

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Ok so Am trying to get this pimped out pretty hard, Have put up on my FB page to my footy clubs page, Put it on the Arena Summer Soccer Page I administer and Sent it to Central Football asking them to pimp it out. See what I put below. 

Phoenix are still top of the Table!!
This weekend they are playing off against 2nd place Melbourne Victory at Wespac stadium on Sunday. With no Football on Sunday and a day off of work on Monday (Hopefully!!) would be awesome to get our Football community down to support our only local professional team in their fight for their first premiership!!
Tickets are from $5 for kids $13 for students and $23 for adults!!!

If you are planning on going Pimp this out to everyone you know!!
http://www.wellingtonphoenix.com/tickets

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Marquee
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Need massive muther fudging crouds!

Marquee
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Have put up posters in all the tea rooms around work. Going to post on my schools page as well for all the students to see.
Phoenix Academy
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/11483343/Stand-up-for-the-Phoenix

Marquee
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Im over that sort of press.....again.  7pm on Easter Sunday..not great timing.

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ill informed poorly researched nonsense. Again. Not shocked. Opinion pieces are bad, stuff nation is even worse. Gives stuff a chance to give complete bs 'airtime'

Appiah without the pace
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Right. massive push on this people. Do your bit.

www.comeonyounix.com

Tegal
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it really is a very good campaign. 

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Tegal wrote:

ill informed poorly researched nonsense. Again. Not shocked. Opinion pieces are bad, stuff nation is even worse. Gives stuff a chance to give complete bs 'airtime'

Yeah I read that and just went "Really???"
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Jeff Vader wrote:

Tegal wrote:

ill informed poorly researched nonsense. Again. Not shocked. Opinion pieces are bad, stuff nation is even worse. Gives stuff a chance to give complete bs 'airtime'

Yeah I read that and just went "Really???"

Stuff nation is just crap for wannabe journo's. Anyone can submit anything to stuffed nation.

Legend
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A good journo will always quote Threak from this forum.

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AJ13 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Tegal wrote:

ill informed poorly researched nonsense. Again. Not shocked. Opinion pieces are bad, stuff nation is even worse. Gives stuff a chance to give complete bs 'airtime'

Yeah I read that and just went "Really???"

Stuff nation is just crap for wannabe journo's. Anyone can submit anything to stuffed nation.

the problem is that stuff puts on the main page. This particular piece of nonsense has prime real estate under "editors picks" right at the top of the page. It lets them give absolute crap prime real estate on their website while saying "we didn't write it".

It is a worse version of "There is a picture next to the article so its just an opinion piece, therefore we don't have to back what is said up with facts, or get a balanced view from both sides"

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I'm sure the Nix PR machine are all over it.

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SurgeQld wrote:

I'm sure the Nix PR machine are all over it.

Once he gathers all the footballs, washes, dries, folds the kit and sweeps out the changing rooms. 

Appiah without the pace
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FFS people. Keep on topic.

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2ndBest wrote:

Right. massive push on this people. Do your bit.

www.comeonyounix.com

Listen here Fudgeface
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Tegal wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Right. massive push on this people. Do your bit.

www.comeonyounix.com

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Hi all,

I posted the article.  Firstly, well done on the poster idea. I think it's awesome and grassroots word of mouth is a good way to get people there.

The point of the article was not addressed to anyone who has even heard of this forum.  It is outsiders who have no idea of what games are like these days or things are as they were five years ago.

People rattle off excuses like ticket prices and poor form in the past.  The team plays with no excuses, so should Wellingtonians.

I conceede you can argue with interpretation of numbers.  But the numbers are researched and they are not that hard to find, club sites, ultimatealeague.com.au etc.

I don't see why we should be satisfied with the croud numbers when we are currently this good.  Why can't a fan have reletively low level dreams of at least achieving the 'average' croud figures for the A-League.  Do we really have such low expectations?

I still see a day where there is a local NZ derby and that will attract 20,000 as it does in Sydney, Melbourne and other NSW teams.  David Dome said before that about 9000 is the break even point and that it is an exponential increase for the club after that.

The yellow fever and regular members (I'm a Yellow Fever member by the way!) are important, but in order for our club and NZ football to grow, every single ticket after 9,000 is just gold.

That's why I wrote it, that's why I said this week IS a final. Bums on seats. So I will stand by, with my name, on the opinion in the article and the numbers behind it.

Anyway, hopefully we get a good croud and a good win.

And now for the trolling... lol

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peteski wrote:

Hi all,

I posted the article.  Firstly, well done on the poster idea. I think it's awesome and grassroots word of mouth is a good way to get people there.

The point of the article was not addressed to anyone who has even heard of this forum.  It is outsiders who have no idea of what games are like these days or things are as they were five years ago.

People rattle off excuses like ticket prices and poor form in the past.  The team plays with no excuses, so should Wellingtonians.

I conceede you can argue with interpretation of numbers.  But the numbers are researched and they are not that hard to find, club sites, ultimatealeague.com.au etc.

I don't see why we should be satisfied with the croud numbers when we are currently this good.  Why can't a fan have reletively low level dreams of at least achieving the 'average' croud figures for the A-League.  Do we really have such low expectations?

I still see a day where there is a local NZ derby and that will attract 20,000 as it does in Sydney, Melbourne and other NSW teams.  David Dome said before that about 9000 is the break even point and that it is an exponential increase for the club after that.

The yellow fever and regular members (I'm a Yellow Fever member by the way!) are important, but in order for our club and NZ football to grow, every single ticket after 9,000 is just gold.

That's why I wrote it, that's why I said this week IS a final. Bums on seats. So I will stand by, with my name, on the opinion in the article and the numbers behind it.

Anyway, hopefully we get a good croud and a good win.

And now for the trolling... lol

Trolling? I just want people to keep it on topic, thanks

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you're completely missing context in your stats though. 

Derbies greatly increase the league average. As do travelling fans. Neither of which we have. 

Per capita we are actually among the best in the league in terms of attendance. how can you expect us to have a league average attendance when we don't have a the average population relative to other Australian cities to to draw it from? 

But none of that fit your narrative, so you excluded the context to suit. Sloppy at best, deliberately misleading at worst

Trialist
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Sorry, I guess a little off topic, but it was essentially my way of saying, "hey everyone, there is a game on Sunday". I was originally going to post it last week, but thought best not to challenge the cricket.  On the stats... yes there is a narrative,  but it's not one that I only will be saying. On SEN, Sydney radio and heaps of other media in Australia, everyone loves the team and thinks the croud is shark, because that's what they see on telly. (They loved hut red though). Problem is that narrative holds sway. We need a minimum of 11000 for our games this year in order for the club to look good on telly and make extra cash to be in the black. The grassroots campaign and ANYTHING that can get neutrals just even noticing that it's on is vital.  We also need it for next week and the Sydney game too. So keep it up guys.

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so because other people are leaving out context to suit their narrative that makes it ok for you to do so too? 

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Tegal wrote:

you're completely missing context in your stats though. 

Derbies greatly increase the league average. As do travelling fans. Neither of which we have. 

Per capita we are actually among the best in the league in terms of attendance. how can you expect us to have a league average attendance when we don't have a the average population relative to other Australian cities to to draw it from? 

But none of that fit your narrative, so you excluded the context to suit. Sloppy at best, deliberately misleading at worst

I deliberately avoided comparisons with Sydney or Melbourne.   But we are bigger than Newcastle, central coast. And we are going great at the moment on the field. I just think that it is not unreasonable for us to expect the average croud as our average in our best year. Are you saying we shouldn't expect 13000 in our games leading up to the finals?
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not at all. That is what we probably will get. We haven't had a chance yet. 

You're applying a season long average to games that haven't even been played yet and saying its crap. 

When if you'd done a bit of actual research (instead of just looking up an average on ultimate a league and calling it research) the crouds hold very steady throughout the season (win or lose) then get higher from this point on depending on where the nix are on the table. 

Again, you're misapplying the stats and leaving out context to suit a narrative. 

Life and death
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Nothing wrong with your article Peter, its over to the individual as to whether they agree or not but I don't think it deserved the level of abuse received on here. Some of the people you are dealing with here have heart attacks when someone calls the game soccer....[don't do that whatever you do....]

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Central Coast and Newcastle are both within an easy drive of Sydney (and each other) which gives them 3 teams where they can expect home fixtures against them to have significantly boosted croud figures thanks to travelling fans. What about Perth, with a much bigger population than Wellington and only marginally bigger crouds (even when they were top of the league too)? Anyway, I know it wasn't your intention Peter but I think the issue is that the feeling from most fans is that the constant discussion of disappointing crouds is counterproductive - it changes the narrative from the club doing well because its top of the table to the club doing poorly because it can't attract crouds. And telling the public that not enough people are turning up isn't likely to make people want to come - they're more likely to think there must be a reason that people aren't going and then not go themselves.

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Tegal wrote:

not at all. That is what we probably will get. We haven't had a chance yet. 

You're applying a season long average to games that haven't even been played yet and saying its crap. 

that's a fair point. But the years average is 8330. And (I'd need to double check this), that's lower than even our overall club average 87??. For the overall a league supporter, they would consider that as 'old NSL' type numbers. I'm not saying to be nasty or pick a fight. Averages, etc can be interpreted by I offered my thoughts that our current numbers fall short. If the break even point at Westpac is 9000, surely at a minimum that is unacceptable in any circumstance. I mean you can only operate at a loss for so long.
Appiah without the pace
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peteski wrote:

Tegal wrote:

not at all. That is what we probably will get. We haven't had a chance yet. 

You're applying a season long average to games that haven't even been played yet and saying its crap. 

that's a fair point. But the years average is 8330. And (I'd need to double check this), that's lower than even our overall club average 87??. For the overall a league supporter, they would consider that as 'old NSL' type numbers. I'm not saying to be nasty or pick a fight. Averages, etc can be interpreted by I offered my thoughts that our current numbers fall short. If the break even point at Westpac is 9000, surely at a minimum that is unacceptable in any circumstance. I mean you can only operate at a loss for so long.

you're missing context again. Those figures you're looking up on ultimate A league as 'research' include finals games. Which of course pushes our average (and the overall A league average) up significantly overall (one of them was 32,792). 

Early retirement
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peteski wrote:

] that's a fair point. But the years average is 8330. And (I'd need to double check this), that's lower than even our overall club average 87??. For the overall a league supporter, they would consider that as 'old NSL' type numbers. I'm not saying to be nasty or pick a fight. Averages, etc can be interpreted by I offered my thoughts that our current numbers fall short. If the break even point at Westpac is 9000, surely at a minimum that is unacceptable in any circumstance. I mean you can only operate at a loss for so long.

But if you added 3k plus to the impact from the CWC last weekend we'd be ahead of our average... 

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Hard News wrote:

peteski wrote:

] that's a fair point. But the years average is 8330. And (I'd need to double check this), that's lower than even our overall club average 87??. For the overall a league supporter, they would consider that as 'old NSL' type numbers. I'm not saying to be nasty or pick a fight. Averages, etc can be interpreted by I offered my thoughts that our current numbers fall short. If the break even point at Westpac is 9000, surely at a minimum that is unacceptable in any circumstance. I mean you can only operate at a loss for so long.

But if you added 3k plus to the impact from the CWC last weekend we'd be ahead of our average... 

That would be context. Which is swiftly dismissed by a single sentence in the article. 

Listen here Fudgeface
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peteski wrote:

Tegal wrote:

you're completely missing context in your stats though. 

Derbies greatly increase the league average. As do travelling fans. Neither of which we have. 

Per capita we are actually among the best in the league in terms of attendance. how can you expect us to have a league average attendance when we don't have a the average population relative to other Australian cities to to draw it from? 

But none of that fit your narrative, so you excluded the context to suit. Sloppy at best, deliberately misleading at worst

I deliberately avoided comparisons with Sydney or Melbourne.   But we are bigger than Newcastle, central coast. And we are going great at the moment on the field. I just think that it is not unreasonable for us to expect the average croud as our average in our best year. Are you saying we shouldn't expect 13000 in our games leading up to the finals?

You say you avoided comparisons with Sydney and Melbourne, yet those clubs contribute significantly to the overall average croud figure of 13,000 that you say we should be beating. Your logical reasoning through the who thing is flawed.
Listen here Fudgeface
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Also, are you able to elaborate as to how the crouds at the Hutt Rec weak? Literally every single one of the 9,000 tickets was sold to each match, and the only reason why 1,500 of those ticket holders didn't turn up to the Adelaide game is the massive storm and corresponding downpour that passed through two hours before kickoff.

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having said all that, I appreciate you were trying to get people along to the game. But pretty much was Conan said, going all 'wellington aren't turning up' isn't the way to do it.

I also just had to point out the flaws in the 'research' you used to come to that conclusion. 

It also comes just after journos from Australia have attacked the nix viewership and crouds based on absolutely no research whatsoever, and no stats to back their criticisms up (at least you glanced at ultimate A league). So guess this annoyed me a little more than it should have. 

Marquee
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I think the problem is the lack of context with other factors in the article and also the timing.

It isn't an article that is likely to encourage the average punter from turning up. The threats about numbers and money as well as to take the team away or fold have been done and dusted and don't work. 

Its poor timing when the Nix have had two/three weeks of "What do they bring to the league" recently to have another article that points out the croud numbers (again without context)

Marquee
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So appears me and Tegal where thinking/typing the same thing at the same time

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I hit submit and yours was under mine. So must've been a matter of milliseconds! 

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