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Ole @ Torslanda IK (Sweden; regional 4th division?)

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end of the day, in this context he needs to be able to coach football teams would win.  So far that's not something he's been great at, so I'm excited to see if his methods can work. I still think that asking to be judged as a football coach other than based on results is taking the easy way out... 

in Declan's time at Wests he finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 1st & 2nd, Got to the Chatham Cup Final once, Quarter finals twice. and while he wasn't in the hot seat at Eastern Suburbs he was a "consultant" and the core of the team that won the National League were his Wests team

Seems to be doing a pretty good job at coaching teams that win, would love my club to have a coach with this record

But I thought your club was Auckland City and Ramon does have a pretty good record?

Player: "What bloody game are you watching ref?"

Ref: "The one where you've had three shots and haven't hit the target."

Hows my refereeing? Whine Here

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james dean wrote:

end of the day, in this context he needs to be able to coach football teams would win.  So far that's not something he's been great at, so I'm excited to see if his methods can work. I still think that asking to be judged as a football coach other than based on results is taking the easy way out... 

in Declan's time at Wests he finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 1st & 2nd, Got to the Chatham Cup Final once, Quarter finals twice. and while he wasn't in the hot seat at Eastern Suburbs he was a "consultant" and the core of the team that won the National League were his Wests team

Seems to be doing a pretty good job at coaching teams that win, would love my club to have a coach with this record

I guess a lot will depend how much support he has from Torslanda board, and how much control he is given etc.

At WaiBOP it didn’t go well. But that does now seem a long time ago, he would have learnt a shark load since then, and his methods are now a million times more proven.

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Add Pinjaker to the Kiwi list currently at Torslanda. 

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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james dean wrote:

end of the day, in this context he needs to be able to coach football teams would win.  So far that's not something he's been great at, so I'm excited to see if his methods can work. I still think that asking to be judged as a football coach other than based on results is taking the easy way out... 

in Declan's time at Wests he finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 1st & 2nd, Got to the Chatham Cup Final once, Quarter finals twice. and while he wasn't in the hot seat at Eastern Suburbs he was a "consultant" and the core of the team that won the National League were his Wests team

Seems to be doing a pretty good job at coaching teams that win, would love my club to have a coach with this record

Some of that is fair, but Central League isn't a real test of his ability as a coach.  

I just have a real issue with any academy, or coach, taking credit for developing a particular player.  Chris Wood went to England when he was 16, is he really a Declan player?  Good players are also attracted to good coaching, so it also becomes self-selecting.

Normo's coming home

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james dean wrote:

james dean wrote:

end of the day, in this context he needs to be able to coach football teams would win.  So far that's not something he's been great at, so I'm excited to see if his methods can work. I still think that asking to be judged as a football coach other than based on results is taking the easy way out... 

in Declan's time at Wests he finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 1st & 2nd, Got to the Chatham Cup Final once, Quarter finals twice. and while he wasn't in the hot seat at Eastern Suburbs he was a "consultant" and the core of the team that won the National League were his Wests team

Seems to be doing a pretty good job at coaching teams that win, would love my club to have a coach with this record

Some of that is fair, but Central League isn't a real test of his ability as a coach.  

I just have a real issue with any academy, or coach, taking credit for developing a particular player.  Chris Wood went to England when he was 16, is he really a Declan player?  Good players are also attracted to good coaching, so it also becomes self-selecting.

No one will know better than the player him or herself - whether a coach/academy from the past deserves credit for their future success.

Thomas and Boyd both visit Ole, when they make their rare trips back to NZ. I think they both have also spoken warmly of their time with the mad hatter.

Not sure what Wood has to do with it all. Don't think he's ever been claimed as an Edge disciple.

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coochiee wrote:

james dean wrote:

james dean wrote:

end of the day, in this context he needs to be able to coach football teams would win.  So far that's not something he's been great at, so I'm excited to see if his methods can work. I still think that asking to be judged as a football coach other than based on results is taking the easy way out... 

in Declan's time at Wests he finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 1st & 2nd, Got to the Chatham Cup Final once, Quarter finals twice. and while he wasn't in the hot seat at Eastern Suburbs he was a "consultant" and the core of the team that won the National League were his Wests team

Seems to be doing a pretty good job at coaching teams that win, would love my club to have a coach with this record

Some of that is fair, but Central League isn't a real test of his ability as a coach.  

I just have a real issue with any academy, or coach, taking credit for developing a particular player.  Chris Wood went to England when he was 16, is he really a Declan player?  Good players are also attracted to good coaching, so it also becomes self-selecting.

No one will know better than the player him or herself - whether a coach/academy from the past deserves credit for their future success.

Thomas and Boyd both visit Ole, when they make their rare trips back to NZ. I think they both have also spoken warmly of their time with the mad hatter.

Not sure what Wood has to do with it all. Don't think he's ever been claimed as an Edge disciple.

I think Chris Wood is a Wynrs alumni 

https://www.wynrs.co.nz/about

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Plenty of fingers in the Wood pie. Mike Groom and Roger Wilkinson played their parts as well.

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There is a difference between pointing out that a player trained at an academy and claiming that the player is only successful because of their time at that academy and not any of the football they played before that. It's a much better pitch to say "look at how well this player who spent a significant amount of time here is doing" than "look at how this player who spent a significant amount of time here is doing, but they also spent time at this other club, and this futsal academy, and this holiday programme, so it's hard to quantify how big our impact was."

Could Olé be more supportive of other organisations? Absolutely. Should they be? Maybe.

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CBFryingpan wrote:

There is a difference between pointing out that a player trained at an academy and claiming that the player is only successful because of their time at that academy and not any of the football they played before that. It's a much better pitch to say "look at how well this player who spent a significant amount of time here is doing" than "look at how this player who spent a significant amount of time here is doing, but they also spent time at this other club, and this futsal academy, and this holiday programme, so it's hard to quantify how big our impact was."

Could Olé be more supportive of other organisations? Absolutely. Should they be? Maybe.

What organisations is Olé not being supportive of?

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Some of that is fair, but Central League isn't a real test of his ability as a coach. 

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How would you test his ability to coach then? If not with winning games in at a "high" level. Ratio of players that he has "worked" with that have gone on to play at a higher level than central league?  Then who are you comparing him to? Eric Harrison? Or his mate down the road?

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Here’s your evidence that Nando Pijnaker is also on the books with the Torsies. He made his club debut over the weekend starting at CB away to Stenungsunds, with Dan Keat and Owen Parker-Price also in the starting eleven (no Harry Edge or Dom Woolridge on this occasion). And it was Keat got the scoring going after quarter of an hour with a header, then OPP made it 2-0 ten minutes later and that was still the score at the half. Sweet as.

Then things went wrong as Pijnaker was subbed off in the 48th minute, some kind of injury there you’d have to assume, before Stenungsunds scored three times in the last half hour – Adam Bergholtz with the equaliser in the first minute of stoppage time and Pontus Olsson with the winner in the fifth minute of injury time. Mate, that’s a rough one. A win would have gotten them off the bottom of the ladder but at least they’re competing better these days. 

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