Ole @ Torslanda IK (Sweden; regional 4th division?)

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Didn't know where else to put this. 

Owen Parker Price and Harry Edge started in a 4-0 loss v Gauthiod. 

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It is the fourth tier. Called Division 2.

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Division 2, Norra Götaland. One of 6 regional leagues at the Division 2 level. League info below


https://www.svenskfotboll.se/serier-cuper/tabell-och-resultat/div-2-norra-gotaland-herrar/77299/

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It is the fourth tier. Called Division 2.

With no less than 6 regional sub leagues - so won't be a great standard.

Though Declan himself has said Torslanda has ambitions for promotion up the various Swedish divisions.

Maybe just not this season!

Francis De Vries and Tyler Lissette a division up (Division 1 or 3rd tier).

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Very interested in seeing where McCowatt and Just end up. 

Hopefully somewhere a little higher than the Swedish 4th tier... 

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YoungHeart wrote:

Very interested in seeing where McCowatt and Just end up. 

Hopefully somewhere a little higher than the Swedish 4th tier... 

Helsingor are Danish 1st Division (2nd tier)

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This is going to be very interesting

What a great move by Ole

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7-2 away loss to Orebro Syrianska, with Harry and Owen starting. 

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I don’t understand that move. Sounds like a bit of adventure, but is Swedish 4th a stepping stone to anything in football?

Does Sweden needs some obscure NZ football academy to move them forward? 

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".....Eli, Callum and Dalton have now moved on to professional contracts in Denmark...".

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number8 wrote:

I don’t understand that move. Sounds like a bit of adventure, but is Swedish 4th a stepping stone to anything in football?

Does Sweden needs some obscure NZ football academy to move them forward? 

According to the Ole puppets these kids are too good for the Phoenix and they want a real challenge such as The Turnip 4th Division.

A great pathway to Barcelona.

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number8 wrote:

I don’t understand that move. Sounds like a bit of adventure, but is Swedish 4th a stepping stone to anything in football?

Does Sweden needs some obscure NZ football academy to move them forward? 

Sweden is in Europe so who knows. Still nearly all the Kiwis who have gone to the lower Scandi leagues, have stayed there or come back to NZ (Stevens).

Nikko Boxall is one guy you could agrue has 'progressed' from there. Esp if if Viborg get promoted to the Danish top flight.

I think Declan mentioned some other smaller Swedish club that had done something similar (ie linked up with a non Swedish coach/academy), it had been a success, and that club had progressed through the leagues and were now in Swedish top flight??

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coochiee wrote:

number8 wrote:

I don’t understand that move. Sounds like a bit of adventure, but is Swedish 4th a stepping stone to anything in football?

Does Sweden needs some obscure NZ football academy to move them forward? 

Sweden is in Europe so who knows. Still nearly all the Kiwis who have gone to the lower Scandi leagues, have stayed there or come back to NZ (Stevens).

Nikko Boxall is one guy you could agrue has 'progressed' from there. Esp if if Viborg get promoted to the Danish top flight.

I think Declan mentioned some other smaller Swedish club that had done something similar (ie linked up with a non Swedish coach/academy), it had been a success, and that club had progressed through the leagues and were now in Swedish top flight??

This is the other Swedish club, Declan was referring to.

Sounds like they have a partnership with Nike Football Academy, that's helped them go up through the ranks in Sweden.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96stersunds_FK

Currently 10th in the Swedish top flight, with an English coach, and heap of English players - assume through the Nike Academy connection.

https://us.soccerway.com/teams/sweden/ostersunds-fk/4034/

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whatever wrote:

number8 wrote:

I don’t understand that move. Sounds like a bit of adventure, but is Swedish 4th a stepping stone to anything in football?

Does Sweden needs some obscure NZ football academy to move them forward? 

According to the Ole puppets these kids are too good for the Phoenix and they want a real challenge such as The Turnip 4th Division.

A great pathway to Barcelona.

No one at Ole has ever said these kids are too good for the Phoenix.

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".....Eli, Callum and Dalton have now moved on to professional contracts in Denmark...".

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So these three aren’t with the Swedish club?

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".....Eli, Callum and Dalton have now moved on to professional contracts in Denmark...".

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Voerman mentioned McCowatt and Wilkins on trial at Danish 2nd tier club Helsingor.

Written source for your update? 

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Global Game wrote:

".....Eli, Callum and Dalton have now moved on to professional contracts in Denmark...".

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Voerman mentioned McCowatt and Wilkins on trial at Danish 2nd tier club Helsingor.

Written source for your update? 

Quote from the "News from Western Suburbs" which is the clubs newsletter email sent to club members.

The link to view is also posted on the clubs facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/WesternSuburbsFC/

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Torslanda lose 1-3 to Grebbestad, and now sit bottom of 14 after 4. Harry Edge the only kiwi to start I think. 

No player signing announcements so presumably a few lads are on trial elsewhere at this stage. Declan made a comment about PSV implying there was a kiwi other than Ryan Thomas there. Speculation, but Eli U19s perhaps? 

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Global Game wrote:

Torslanda lose 1-3 to Grebbestad, and now sit bottom of 14 after 4. Harry Edge the only kiwi to start I think. 

No player signing announcements so presumably a few lads are on trial elsewhere at this stage. Declan made a comment about PSV implying there was a kiwi other than Ryan Thomas there. Speculation, but Eli U19s perhaps? 

It seems Dan Keat also played for Torslanda

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Global Game wrote:

Torslanda lose 1-3 to Grebbestad, and now sit bottom of 14 after 4. Harry Edge the only kiwi to start I think. 

No player signing announcements so presumably a few lads are on trial elsewhere at this stage. Declan made a comment about PSV implying there was a kiwi other than Ryan Thomas there. Speculation, but Eli U19s perhaps? 

Declan was referring to Michael Woud, who started for Willem II against PSV that evening, with that comment.

Owen Parker-Price and Harry Edge are the only young Kiwis at Torslanda at the moment.

The Swedish mid-season transfer window opens on July 17, so you won't be seeing any others join them until then, at the earliest.

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Keat and Edge start in a 3-1 loss to Uddevalla. Torslanda remain bottom with 1 point from 5 games. 

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Declan unlikely to get his promotion dreams this season. Another loss for Torslanda, this time 1-4 to Sävedalen.

1 point from 7 games with a GD of -17. Rock bottom.

May take a season or so to bed in his philospies. Of course the club could just lose patience, and it may go all WaiBop on him.

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Torslanda have had 1 loss & 2 draws since last report.

Still last (-20 GD), 5 points behind team in 2nd last spot.

Bottom 2 teams get relegated to Swedish 5th tier!!

Still a long way to go in the season.

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Hi!

Found this forum through the Football Manager Head researcher of New Zealand. I am an assistant researcher for the game working with clubs in Gothemburg, Torslanda is one of them. So I can tell you a bit more about the club, and perhaps you can tell me about the New Zealanders in the club. I am especially interested in Declan Edge since his twitter feed is very strange.

Talking about strange, this co-operation between a foreign club/academy and a Swedish club is strange and uncommon. Some clubs in the north of the country have brought in some English players and coaches (like Östersund, who you guys already mentioned), but that is probably because there are very few people in those parts of Sweden and they need players. In the Östersund case, their chairman was a friend of Roberto Martínez who then was the manager of Swansea, hence the link to England. (Östersunds progress to the top division was also dependent on financial crimes for which their chairman is currently on trial).

Torslanda IK is one of the most stable clubs in Gothemburg. Since 1997 they have competed in the third or fourth tier of the Swedish football league system. Next year that probably won't be the case due to this "project" with Ole Academy. The club is amateur/semi-professional. The players at this level in Sweden are paid to some extent but football isn't their main occupation unless they are very young and ambitious or lack self awareness. There is some talent though, and players are regularly moving up to the professional leagues. Torslanda's best player in 2017 went to the second division for intance, so it may be a good window for your talents. But New Zealands top division is most likely of a higher sporting quality. So I can't really understand why under-20 World Cup players like Pijnaker and Wooldridge would move to our fourth division. Is it that hard to be seen by European professional clubs for players in New Zealand?

From Torslanda's prespective I can't understand this project so far either. As I said they have had stable operations for more than two decades, they have a big youth sector, organize tournaments and so on. They could keep doing that but instead they let go of all their good players, bring in a few prospects from the other side of the world and start borrowing players from their own youth team just to fill up a match squad. The project may be good in the end but this implementation is not. Meanwhile this Declan Edge, the head coach, is tweeting about that player development is superior to results and other weird misunderstood-genius-stuff like he doesn't realise how bad his team are both in the present and historical perspective. Who is this guy?

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A fairly polarising coach focused in youth development, with some success in young player development. Produced some good players, now in decent leagues. Have a read of this:

http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/categories/coaching-c...

His Twitter feed a rollercoaster, yes, but I guess you could say his philosophy is that forcing players to win too early  short cuts their learning processes, and results in stunted talent. His team's here are built on a conveyer of kids who grow up playing his teams style, and know how to play in that way.

Think that the club link had something to with Ben Sippola, an American who played in for torslanda some years ago, and who has worked with Declan at Ole Football academy.

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Hi!

Found this forum through the Football Manager Head researcher of New Zealand. I am an assistant researcher for the game working with  that hard to be seen by European professional clubs for players in New Zealand?

I do wonder why they are there, I guess ‘playing in Europe’ sounds good.

I found that the Ole academy boys are super unpopular with my kid, they complain a lot and a bit passive aggressive. It’s actually quite the opposite of ‘let them play’ motto they have, at least how I understand it.

(For all Ole Mum’s and Dad’s reading, I’m sure you’re kid is one of the exemptions.)

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Hi!

Found this forum through the Football Manager Head researcher of New Zealand. I am an assistant researcher for the game working with clubs in Gothemburg, Torslanda is one of them. So I can tell you a bit more about the club, and perhaps you can tell me about the New Zealanders in the club. I am especially interested in Declan Edge since his twitter feed is very strange.

Talking about strange, this co-operation between a foreign club/academy and a Swedish club is strange and uncommon. Some clubs in the north of the country have brought in some English players and coaches (like Östersund, who you guys already mentioned), but that is probably because there are very few people in those parts of Sweden and they need players. In the Östersund case, their chairman was a friend of Roberto Martínez who then was the manager of Swansea, hence the link to England. (Östersunds progress to the top division was also dependent on financial crimes for which their chairman is currently on trial).

Torslanda IK is one of the most stable clubs in Gothemburg. Since 1997 they have competed in the third or fourth tier of the Swedish football league system. Next year that probably won't be the case due to this "project" with Ole Academy. The club is amateur/semi-professional. The players at this level in Sweden are paid to some extent but football isn't their main occupation unless they are very young and ambitious or lack self awareness. There is some talent though, and players are regularly moving up to the professional leagues. Torslanda's best player in 2017 went to the second division for intance, so it may be a good window for your talents. But New Zealands top division is most likely of a higher sporting quality. So I can't really understand why under-20 World Cup players like Pijnaker and Wooldridge would move to our fourth division. Is it that hard to be seen by European professional clubs for players in New Zealand?

From Torslanda's prespective I can't understand this project so far either. As I said they have had stable operations for more than two decades, they have a big youth sector, organize tournaments and so on. They could keep doing that but instead they let go of all their good players, bring in a few prospects from the other side of the world and start borrowing players from their own youth team just to fill up a match squad. The project may be good in the end but this implementation is not. Meanwhile this Declan Edge, the head coach, is tweeting about that player development is superior to results and other weird misunderstood-genius-stuff like he doesn't realise how bad his team are both in the present and historical perspective. Who is this guy?

Interesting read. Didn't realise Pijnaker and Wooldridge, were now in Sweden. Still sounds like it is possible to progress from Swedish 4th Div up the ranks.

I think Torslanda will need to be prepared to play the long game with crazy Declan, if it's too work like it did for say Östersund. Success (if it does) won't happen overnight.

You really can't agrue that by NZ standards he does produce quality young footballers, though there was a wee gap between Ryan Thomas/Tyler Boyd, and ES's current 'golden generation' crop .

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Dominic Wooldridge initiated the scoring today as Torslanda achieved their first victory this season (3-2). Harry Edge, Owen Parker Price and Dan Keat were also present in the lineup.

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Yeah, not sure how I’d feel if my mostly amateur community club had 4-5 first team spots suddenly going to foreign players, taking pathway spots from locals. The only reason I would buy into it would be if the club made significant progress in youth player development across the board, so that locals came through capable of playing a higher level. Then the long term payoff would make sense. I imagine this is the deal. 

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coochiee wrote:

Hi!

Found this forum through the Football Manager Head researcher of New Zealand. I am an assistant researcher for the game working with clubs in Gothemburg, Torslanda is one of them. So I can tell you a bit more about the club, and perhaps you can tell me about the New Zealanders in the club. I am especially interested in Declan Edge since his twitter feed is very strange.

Talking about strange, this co-operation between a foreign club/academy and a Swedish club is strange and uncommon. Some clubs in the north of the country have brought in some English players and coaches (like Östersund, who you guys already mentioned), but that is probably because there are very few people in those parts of Sweden and they need players. In the Östersund case, their chairman was a friend of Roberto Martínez who then was the manager of Swansea, hence the link to England. (Östersunds progress to the top division was also dependent on financial crimes for which their chairman is currently on trial).

Torslanda IK is one of the most stable clubs in Gothemburg. Since 1997 they have competed in the third or fourth tier of the Swedish football league system. Next year that probably won't be the case due to this "project" with Ole Academy. The club is amateur/semi-professional. The players at this level in Sweden are paid to some extent but football isn't their main occupation unless they are very young and ambitious or lack self awareness. There is some talent though, and players are regularly moving up to the professional leagues. Torslanda's best player in 2017 went to the second division for intance, so it may be a good window for your talents. But New Zealands top division is most likely of a higher sporting quality. So I can't really understand why under-20 World Cup players like Pijnaker and Wooldridge would move to our fourth division. Is it that hard to be seen by European professional clubs for players in New Zealand?

From Torslanda's prespective I can't understand this project so far either. As I said they have had stable operations for more than two decades, they have a big youth sector, organize tournaments and so on. They could keep doing that but instead they let go of all their good players, bring in a few prospects from the other side of the world and start borrowing players from their own youth team just to fill up a match squad. The project may be good in the end but this implementation is not. Meanwhile this Declan Edge, the head coach, is tweeting about that player development is superior to results and other weird misunderstood-genius-stuff like he doesn't realise how bad his team are both in the present and historical perspective. Who is this guy?

Interesting read. Didn't realise Pijnaker and Wooldridge, were now in Sweden. Still sounds like it is possible to progress from Swedish 4th Div up the ranks.

I think Torslanda will need to be prepared to play the long game with crazy Declan, if it's too work like it did for say Östersund. Success (if it does) won't happen overnight.

You really can't agrue that by NZ standards he does produce quality young footballers, though there was a wee gap between Ryan Thomas/Tyler Boyd, and ES's current 'golden generation' crop .

That gap mostly explained by him working solely with the Awad/Boyd/Edge/Thomas group who were all born 1994 while he was in Hamilton, with the McCowatt/Pijnaker/Wilkins/Wooldridge group born 1999 some of the first he's had extensive time with at Ole.

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Declan is also working with the youth and women's sections of the club.

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That gap mostly explained by him working solely with the Awad/Boyd/Edge/Thomas group who were all born 1994 while he was in Hamilton, with the McCowatt/Pijnaker/Wilkins/Wooldridge group born 1999 some of the first he's had extensive time with at Ole.

With Just/McCowatt/Wilkins etc all coming through, probably means the end of Tyler Lissette (Swedish 3rd Div) being mentioned with Thomas & Boyd as examples of Declan success stories.

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Pjinker will probably be another success - was great at the u20's. I hope the NIX are taking a serious look at him.

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Declan...

He thinks his way is the best way

He has had his successes and his failures.

Declan is just like any other football coach in the world in that respect.

In NZ, this goldfish bowl is quite tiny so he stands out as being noisy because he has had a couple of players go ok. Anywhere else in the world, no one would probably give him a second thought.

That probably says more about the lack of quality of our players our system produces in that the 1-2 he does produce, standout vs our national system would produce and what would happen in other countries

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NZ football is user pays, parents have to pay for their children to join academies with the prospect of someday making a career in football.

It will be the same with Kiwi boys in Sweden, the best players don't always get a chance.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Declan...

He thinks his way is the best way

He has had his successes and his failures.

Declan is just like any other football coach in the world in that respect.

In NZ, this goldfish bowl is quite tiny so he stands out as being noisy because he has had a couple of players go ok. Anywhere else in the world, no one would probably give him a second thought.

That probably says more about the lack of quality of our players our system produces in that the 1-2 he does produce, standout vs our national system would produce and what would happen in other countries

So you could say that with the players his academy has produce in recent years compared to what nzf system has produced his way is the best...

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Declan...

He thinks his way is the best way

He has had his successes and his failures.

Declan is just like any other football coach in the world in that respect.

In NZ, this goldfish bowl is quite tiny so he stands out as being noisy because he has had a couple of players go ok. Anywhere else in the world, no one would probably give him a second thought.

That probably says more about the lack of quality of our players our system produces in that the 1-2 he does produce, standout vs our national system would produce and what would happen in other countries

So you could say that with the players his academy has produce in recent years compared to what nzf system has produced his way is the best...

how are you guys defining National System? Both the NIx (who beat West at the weekend and had better u20 players than Ole) and Ole have players playing for NZ - that is a nzf system??. We have moved on from Centres of Excellence :)

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I believe Wellington is the new center of excellence!

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