Video Refs

Video Refs

Lot of discussion going on about this given the whole Henry/France/Ireland thing.

Every time the idea comes up, everyone has all these complaints about it... too complicated, takes too long, breaks up play etc.

Each time, I make the following recommendation, but no-one ever seems to pick up on it!

Anyone, just wondering if anyone has any thoughts about it:


No need for complicated rules about a limited number of challenges or how long it takes or it only applying in the box or flow of play etc etc.

The ref can already consult with linesmen whenever he wants and the linesman can draw the attention of the ref with their flag/mike.

Give a mike and a TV set to a guy in the stand and let it work exactly the same way. Ref can talk to him like he would his linesmen, and the guy with the TV can get the attention of the ref if he sees anything the ref misses.

Easy.

...and the guy with the telly has to get replays cued up etc. Needs a natural break in the game, which league and rugby both have.

tv coverage has action replays during most of the game, have you really noticed it being detrimental to you following the game?

And then it would be cool if we could introduce quarter time breaks.  Because, you know, the game is much faster these days and the players would benefit.  We could maybe fill the time up on tele with ads but that's beside the point.

anyone care to explain how my idea would interrupt the flow of play any more than what currently happens?

currently, refs can consult with linesmen if they're not sure what happened.

currently, linesmen can signal to the ref if they see something the ref hasn't.

i'm suggesting the video guy work in exactly the same way.

Does some fan with a ticket entering the ground get randomly selected - "hey, mate, want a mic and a tv while you're watching the game?"


Seriously, for the number of times it's actually required, it's simply not worth the hassle of this whole video hoo-haa.

I was thinking bout this today... remember the extra Penalty Area officials they trialled somewhere in Europe?
I think they'd be the answer.

i hate technology in sport, human error is part of the game

The only thing I support this for is for checking whether the ball crossed the line, and even then I would prefer it if the chip in ball system worked but I haven't heard anything about that recently so I assume its a flop.  As was said before, it works in games with a natural break in play, but football is just to free flowing.

They don't even need a chip in the ball, the Hawk eye company has already developed the technology and have been testing in actual games for yonks.

Not a fan. I don't want the game interrupted too much with video ref calls. Like other sports, there will still be decisions that even the video ref gets what fans will see as wrong. Ok, getting more right would be good, but it's still too disruptive for my liking. Human error happens. Get over it. If you are good enough you will win anyway despite a dodgy decision.

Spot on Colv.

I don't mind if there was an automatic video check on goals scored legitimately after the ball either has allegedly crossed the line or when the goal is at the back of the net. No real loss in playing time.

And I would allow two appeals for each team any incident inside the box. Besides the four appeals, there isn't really much time wasted at all.

The next request is that the video referee has only up to minute of viewing to consider the appeal or he is on report. This can work very well, if those conditions are the match day criteria. This can be added to the extra time after each half. Not a huge big deal.

To be honest, I think we are only delaying the eventual.

And then after having ill conceived and unworkable conditions attached to it and then it will be butchered and then chuck out because FIFA are idiots.

There wouldnt be a real need for vid refs if the game is played 'in the right spirit'. It was clear that the ball came off Henry's hand - what a jackass for claiming the goal...

even the video ref would not get everything right - ball crossing the line is still never black and white (Liverpool vs Chelsea in the Champions League semi final) and penalty decisions are always debated.  It would mean that when it is generally agreed that the video ref has got it wrong there would be even more complaining and requesting replays of games (and big clubs would still get all the decisions)

Given the mistakes that are made by the video officials in both rugby and rugby league i dont see how they can be seen as any sort of solution in football with any confidence.Maybe if FIFA grew some balls and acted on some of the stuff with some authority the players may feel they wont get away with some of this stuff.

Indeed, I can't remember the last time I saw a try score in Rugby League that invloved a a tackler or 2 or was close to the touch line that wasn't referred to the video ref.

How does that develop your refereeing capability in the sport, and dufus can run around in a pink shirt and draw a box with his fingers when required.

You are a wise man Frankie.

Roy Keene's interview got it right.
Poor defending, there is cheating all the time and get over it Ireland. It is part of the game.

No video refs please. Football doesnt need it. Look at rugby, cricket and the time wasting that goes on with replay after replay. No thanks.

I don't like it at all, but it can be sucessfully implemented.  Tennis.  Such a different flow to that sport, though, that it's not really worth comparison.

I'm reminded of American Football. There's a sport with lots of breaks in play, so going to the replay official shouldn't be an issue. They got rid of it because it didn't work, then eventually brought it back with a bunch of provisions - coaches have set number of challenges, but can't use them for certain types of situations or in the final few minutes of the game. It works better than it used to, but still people complain about it. SiNZ2009-11-22 21:19:29

Thought since this is becoming more and more a thing as trials are going on and the A-League wants to do this. Here is the first player to be sent off by the Video referee after the on field referee gave a YC.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/first-...

Moved from Wellington Phoenix Discussion to Wellington Phoenix Discussion

Used overnight at CWC 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/histor...

RIP Football. 

Game stopped for over three minutes as they made the decision and awarded it. Imagine if you have 2-3 VAR calls in a match. It's just going to kill the game.

Ugh

The VARs didn't seem to interrupt play in either of the Melbourne games from round 1.

Time to comment. VAR is a failure. Why? Because the majority of the decisions are still wrong and made by the same muppets that usually are refereeing the games.

I would like to see VAR abandoned. Goal line technology to prove a ball went over the line - yes, but not VAR. Time consuming, interrupts the flow of a game.

Perhaps the real solution for the A League is to improve the refereeing standards which have not improved since day one of the very first A League game. I don't know why the FFA etc staunchly stick up for complete numpties.

I also think match officials should be allowed to be questioned and allowed to explain their decisions and held accountable for when they make the wrong one.

If a match official is having a bade game, it would make a nice change if they were consistant towards both teams, but one could argue, the Nix always seem to be on the rough end of the deal. EG: The treatment served up to Rolly whilst he was here and the very few yellow cards.

Spot on. Football thrives on tension, without it the game is boring. But the same yanks/idiots obsessed with quantifying the game at every opportunity just need to see the VAR implemented.

The major problem for me is that the football rule book is purposely written to provide an element of human judgement. Which means two of the best referees in the world can watch the same footage 20 times and have a differing opinion. On top of that the rules around the application are completely unfair. They will review a goal if there was a say a hand ball in the build up, but they won't review an incorrectly given free kick that leads to a goal?

VAR just feels like they're ruining the game because they are too scared to tackle the real problems. For example, 99% of the time you don't need a VAR to assess penalties if diving was stomped out of the game. So address the real problem (diving) and give them retrospective bans. Or as you say, address the idiots in the middle. European football has had assistants behind the goals for a few years now. Except they just stand their and don't do anything. If they manned up and pinged everyone for shirt pulling on corners it would stop pretty bloody quickly.

I think the idea of an assistant in front of a TV screen is an okay one. This means stupid things like Costa kicking Koscielny last year can be picked up correctly during the ensuing raucus. But otherwise they've got it completely wrong.

As far as the A-League is concerned it would be a much better spectacle if they could put a stop to the 20 or so professional fouls (which serve to prevent counter attacks) every game that seem to avoid yellow cards.

Head Of A-League - Steps in a soggy MESS

“Contentious decisions by referees have always been talking points and will continue to some degree with or without VAR but it is important that game changing decisions have the benefit of the same reviews that the audience have in the stadiums or at home to improve accuracy. We are all looking for the same thing and that being that Football and our players remain the focus and not the VAR. We intend to deliver on that.”

Problem is this isn't even the FFA pushing it but FIFA and it won't be long before we see it at the World Cup (Not Russia but the next one), so while I hate it and would rather see it gone, I think we have to accept it is here to stay. 

So as pointed out the problem is really around the referees using it and the interpretation of the laws. There is a human element when refereeing and that is lost when you use VAR and try an apply it in black and white. With our referee coaching, there is the laws but we also have sessions around how IFAB wants us to interpret them. Think the handball, it isn't in the book about arm in a natural position but we all know that it is taken into consideration when making the call, that can't be applied when using VAR because then its just down to what is written in the laws.

I believe what will happen as it is used more, is more laws/interpretation will be brought out by IFAB to better help the VAR referee make the calls, unfortuanly at the moment, the A-League is just a guinga pig while they learn what and how.

So they are cutting back the number of referees that can be VAR as they admit it's a different type of refereeing to normal and promise not to re-referee the game. https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/12/17/ffa-cull-var-personnel-after-more-drama-0