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The man in the middle - Referee Admiration/Angst/Appointments thread

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I wanna touch a little more on what Tam said

The optics of the play are thus

-the keeper could have freely picked anywhere to roll that ball. He was not denied the opportunity to release it where he wanted.

-the attacker was on a maintained path. The run was around chasing a through ball, and his actions were not to impede distribution.

-this is very much an intercept, not ‘preventing the GK to release the ball’

Taking the above aside and removing all rationale to law, when you look at this through untainted eyes, it’s just a howler and stands as a goal.

I regrettably am subscribe to an US orientated MugBook page on referees of about 6.5k subscribers in the hope I might learn something. They see and read the game and laws so differently in that country. Some of the commentary coming out of this page on this goal just makes me shake my head for the shear stupidity. It kinda illustrates to me that even with law and common sense, not everyone arrives at the same destination.

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Is there a definition of 'release the ball" available?  At what point after it's left his hands is it considered to be in play?

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Oska wrote:

Is there a definition of 'release the ball" available?  At what point after it's left his hands is it considered to be in play?

I think from 🍺🍺🍺 memory it is Control  - The ⚽️ was in his control until he intentionally released  it. ⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️

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But when a goalkeeper is kicking from their hands the ball is not released until it leaves their foot?

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Oska wrote:

But when a goalkeeper is kicking from their hands the ball is not released until it leaves their foot?

Because it is still under "control" until he kicks it. The drop is considered controlled.

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Kurto getting wiped out by an offside striker tonight shows what an ass the law ( or interpretation of it) is. If the refs would call offside when he's making a run for the ball, not wait to see if he gets it, our goalie would still be in one piece.
Change the friggen law! It's a safety issue.

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Kurto getting wiped out by an offside striker tonight shows what an ass the law ( or interpretation of it) is. If the refs would call offside when he's making a run for the ball, not wait to see if he gets it, our goalie would still be in one piece.
Change the friggen law! It's a safety issue.

Slow the action down: From behind the goal. If the player was not offside Kurto would have conceded a penalty as he missed the ball and  took the player out in the box. 

PS: very sickening to see him lifeless on the ground. Hope he is ok

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Coaching is such that ar's must signal early if it's one on one with the goalie and there is collision risk.

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zonknz wrote:

Coaching is such that ar's must signal early if it's one on one with the goalie and there is collision risk.

A symptom of VAR. ARs often don’t flag offsides in case it results in a goal, in which case they can use the VAR as a safety net. 

So VAR resulted in an incorrect send off, didn’t award us a penalty and injured our goalkeeper. 

Not a good night for the VAR system. 

Allegedly

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Is this the ultimate "but I got the ball ref" challenge? https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/a2d7st/sc...

Answers on a postcard please.

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What I like about the clip is just how well the ref deals with the situation, and prevents a player melee.

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1: who picked up the O/S?

2: *cynical Chris* but he is going for the ball ref. He just slid in ref. No intent ref. The keeper needs to move ref. No studs ref.

3: the reason for pulling the card quick is because it shows decisive action in a situation where seeing that the decisive action has been taken, will cool down players. You need a truckload of different techniques. Sometimes you calm it down and then sanction. Other times, get the card out early so players running in realise you have dealt with it and they then lose steam. Each player needs to be managed differently just like no two children are the same (assuming readers have two kids) I always like to say to a player that was down ‘hey i’ve cautioned him/ red carded him’ so they don’t get up and seek retribution...

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zonknz wrote:

Is this the ultimate "but I got the ball ref" challenge? https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/a2d7st/sc...

Answers on a postcard please.

Wow, that was bad.  

Question for Chris - The commentators (I know, don't listen to commentators on rule issues) made it seem like the main issue was whether the keeper had a hand on the ball and had it under control.  For me, it looked like a red card even if the keepers hand came off the ball the way the attacker went through the ball and into the keeper dangerously?  Am I wrong there.

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aitkenmike wrote:

zonknz wrote:

Is this the ultimate "but I got the ball ref" challenge? https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/a2d7st/sc...

Answers on a postcard please.

Wow, that was bad.  

Question for Chris - The commentators (I know, don't listen to commentators on rule issues) made it seem like the main issue was whether the keeper had a hand on the ball and had it under control.  For me, it looked like a red card even if the keepers hand off the ball the way the attacker went through the ball and into the keeper dangerously?  Am I wrong there.

It was a definite Red but that sort of challenge isn't uncommon in Scottish football - although the refs there do often make the A-League ones look brilliant!

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The goalkeeper just needs to have a finger on the ball to be deemed in control of it, and this, it’s unplayable by opponents

Control or not, that tackle was a shocker and I think pretty much everyone should be able to see that as a red card

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Special summit to heal bitter rift

DECEMBER 18, 2018

Football Federation Australia and the referees and coaching associations will meet early next year in a bid to repair a fractured relationship that threatens to divide the football community.

Professional Referees Association president Stebre Delovski told

Football Federation Australia and the referees and coaching associations will meet early next year in a bid to repair a fractured relationship that threatens to divide the football community.

Professional Referees Association president Stebre Delovski told The Australian yesterday he will sit down with A-League boss Greg O'Rourke and Professional Coaches president Phil Moss in the wake of a damaging week for the sport.

The referees took an unprecedented stand during all five A-League games last weekend when they covered the word “Respect” on their shirt sleeve in protest over FFA’s failure to sanction Wellington Phoenix coach Mark Rudan for comments made following his side’s loss to Perth Glory recently.

“It couldn’t have been more one-sided,” Rudan said at the time. “I’ve never seen anything like it. It got to the point where I had to laugh. I turned to my coaching staff and it was hilarious. It was a joke, an absolute joke. If he (referee Adam Kersey) can sleep well at night, good on him. But you know, he’s cost us — he certainly has.”

In a situation that has pitted coaches against coaches, Newcastle Jets boss Ernie Merrick subsequently came out in support of the referees on Monday, accusing FFA of double standards in that the head body fined him last season for comments he made about referees yet let Rudan, who he did not name, off the hook.

And now the situation is likely to blow up even further amid suggestions FFA could act against a coach for comments made following a game on the weekend.

If the coach is sanctioned it is certain to lead to more angst regarding the Rudan situation.

Delovski said the situation has got out of hand because of FFA’s failure to take action.
“This has been going on for a number of years where no action has been taken toward these types of comments,” Delovski said.
“This is the culture now creeping in, not just in football but Australian sport, where it is almost acceptable to have a crack at the referee. Well, enough is enough. The fact there was no action (taken in the Rudan case) was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

“We had spoken to FFA for two weeks and they chose not to do anything and we said ‘OK, we have no choice we need to make a stand on this one’.
“We followed through with our decision to cover up the Respect badge. A line was crossed in which a referee’s integrity was questioned and he was basically called a cheat. That is not acceptable.”

Delovski, a former A-League and FIFA rated referee, says something needs to change and called on coaches to have a look at themselves:

“The coaches association came out and said referees are amateurish, but they should look at themselves and how they are addressing the behaviour of some of their members.
“I’ve spoken to Greg O’Rourke in the last few days and to Phil Moss from the coaches and we are having a meeting early new year to discuss a way forward because, at the moment, the message to the coaches is that they have a free hit to have a go at referees.

“What sort of message is that to send to the other 9000 refs in the country?

If these types of comments are deemed acceptable and continue then we will continue to have these issues.”

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How about the sharke referees looking in a mirror and accepting they are sharke. And they need some serious workcamps to bring them up to a, to be taken serious, level. 

That article reeks of head buried in sand material. I expect nothing less from Delovski. He wasn't that good a ref himself.

Their standards are so low, they don't even make it onto the coupons. And please justify why do the Phoenix always get the brand new refs with no experience? You know they are going to obey their masters orders and do their best to ensure the Nix get nothing. 

Fudge them and Fudge the Referees Association for being so biasedly blinkered.

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Quietly awaiting the press release from Australian Professional Referees Association re Justifying VAR calls. #WSWvADL

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The sooner VAR is gone the better. We are better off with just one person making a screwup instead of 4...and holding the game up whilst doing so.

164 games  164 games

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Jarred Gillett is leaving the A-League, and is moving to the UK. This is part of his day job, by the sounds of it, but he has been placed in Referee Select Group 2. This group is the second tier of Pro refs in England, who typically referee Championship games.

https://www.efl.com/news/2019/january/jarred-gille...

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