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The man in the middle - Referee Admiration/Angst/Appointments thread

Chris Kerr
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I wanna touch a little more on what Tam said

The optics of the play are thus

-the keeper could have freely picked anywhere to roll that ball. He was not denied the opportunity to release it where he wanted.

-the attacker was on a maintained path. The run was around chasing a through ball, and his actions were not to impede distribution.

-this is very much an intercept, not ‘preventing the GK to release the ball’

Taking the above aside and removing all rationale to law, when you look at this through untainted eyes, it’s just a howler and stands as a goal.

I regrettably am subscribe to an US orientated MugBook page on referees of about 6.5k subscribers in the hope I might learn something. They see and read the game and laws so differently in that country. Some of the commentary coming out of this page on this goal just makes me shake my head for the shear stupidity. It kinda illustrates to me that even with law and common sense, not everyone arrives at the same destination.

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Is there a definition of 'release the ball" available?  At what point after it's left his hands is it considered to be in play?

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Oska wrote:

Is there a definition of 'release the ball" available?  At what point after it's left his hands is it considered to be in play?

I think from 🍺🍺🍺 memory it is Control  - The ⚽️ was in his control until he intentionally released  it. ⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️

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But when a goalkeeper is kicking from their hands the ball is not released until it leaves their foot?

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Oska wrote:

But when a goalkeeper is kicking from their hands the ball is not released until it leaves their foot?

Because it is still under "control" until he kicks it. The drop is considered controlled.

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Kurto getting wiped out by an offside striker tonight shows what an ass the law ( or interpretation of it) is. If the refs would call offside when he's making a run for the ball, not wait to see if he gets it, our goalie would still be in one piece.
Change the friggen law! It's a safety issue.

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Kurto getting wiped out by an offside striker tonight shows what an ass the law ( or interpretation of it) is. If the refs would call offside when he's making a run for the ball, not wait to see if he gets it, our goalie would still be in one piece.
Change the friggen law! It's a safety issue.

Slow the action down: From behind the goal. If the player was not offside Kurto would have conceded a penalty as he missed the ball and  took the player out in the box. 

PS: very sickening to see him lifeless on the ground. Hope he is ok

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Coaching is such that ar's must signal early if it's one on one with the goalie and there is collision risk.

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zonknz wrote:

Coaching is such that ar's must signal early if it's one on one with the goalie and there is collision risk.

A symptom of VAR. ARs often don’t flag offsides in case it results in a goal, in which case they can use the VAR as a safety net. 

So VAR resulted in an incorrect send off, didn’t award us a penalty and injured our goalkeeper. 

Not a good night for the VAR system. 

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Is this the ultimate "but I got the ball ref" challenge? https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/a2d7st/sc...

Answers on a postcard please.

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What I like about the clip is just how well the ref deals with the situation, and prevents a player melee.

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1: who picked up the O/S?

2: *cynical Chris* but he is going for the ball ref. He just slid in ref. No intent ref. The keeper needs to move ref. No studs ref.

3: the reason for pulling the card quick is because it shows decisive action in a situation where seeing that the decisive action has been taken, will cool down players. You need a truckload of different techniques. Sometimes you calm it down and then sanction. Other times, get the card out early so players running in realise you have dealt with it and they then lose steam. Each player needs to be managed differently just like no two children are the same (assuming readers have two kids) I always like to say to a player that was down ‘hey i’ve cautioned him/ red carded him’ so they don’t get up and seek retribution...

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zonknz wrote:

Is this the ultimate "but I got the ball ref" challenge? https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/a2d7st/sc...

Answers on a postcard please.

Wow, that was bad.  

Question for Chris - The commentators (I know, don't listen to commentators on rule issues) made it seem like the main issue was whether the keeper had a hand on the ball and had it under control.  For me, it looked like a red card even if the keepers hand came off the ball the way the attacker went through the ball and into the keeper dangerously?  Am I wrong there.

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aitkenmike wrote:

zonknz wrote:

Is this the ultimate "but I got the ball ref" challenge? https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/a2d7st/sc...

Answers on a postcard please.

Wow, that was bad.  

Question for Chris - The commentators (I know, don't listen to commentators on rule issues) made it seem like the main issue was whether the keeper had a hand on the ball and had it under control.  For me, it looked like a red card even if the keepers hand off the ball the way the attacker went through the ball and into the keeper dangerously?  Am I wrong there.

It was a definite Red but that sort of challenge isn't uncommon in Scottish football - although the refs there do often make the A-League ones look brilliant!

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The goalkeeper just needs to have a finger on the ball to be deemed in control of it, and this, it’s unplayable by opponents

Control or not, that tackle was a shocker and I think pretty much everyone should be able to see that as a red card

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