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18-Jun-2018 03:00 NZT Germany Match 11 Mexico Moscow
19-Jun-2018 00:00 NZT Sweden Match 12 South Korea Nizhny Novgorod
24-Jun-2018 03:00 NZT South Korea Match 28 Mexico Rostov-on-Don
24-Jun-2018 06:00 NZT Germany Match 27 Sweden Sochi
28-Jun-2018 02:00 NZT South Korea Match 43 Germany Kazan
28-Jun-2018 02:00 NZT Mexico Match 44 Sweden Yekaterinburg
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Sweden v Mexico the decider?

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Yeah that looks to be the game for me that sorts out 2nd place. I mean, in this group, thats all thats up for grabs I think

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Regardless of loyalties of the fans here, to me this is the group of death.

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Korea are coming in to the tourney as a bit of a mess. Will they be cannon fodder?

If the Mexicans are relying on Chicarito, then they will struggle. They have better strikers in Peralta and Jimenez.

Germany are missing Lahm, Howedes, Gotze, Schurrle, Schweinsteiger, Kramer and Klose from the 2014 final. Added to that Muller and Ozil aren't really Muller and Ozil any more. But the main reason I'm picking them not to win is that their squad does not contain a single player named Helmut.

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Well done Mexico. Brilliant result and a half decent game. Germany's first loss in their first game at any finals since 1982.

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Mexico deserved that one. Mexico got 7 players behind the ball on defence and were great in the first half. Germany didnt look like they got out of 2nd gear for large patches. How often did Germany get caught on the break. 

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Harsh words after the game from Hummels. He was pretty pissed about giving the ball away and then not covering the defense. He said they played the same rubbish than their last test game. The left back was not in the game and the Kimich caught out of possession.

Mexico could had won this much higher, but their number 7 sucked big time. I think it's funny how everyone talks about the 'underdogs' Mexico beat the world champs, it is rubbish. Mexico is always dangerous and Germany maybe on paper the best team in the World, but recent performances were not that great.

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Happy to see Mexico win and happy for their fans. The ones I met at the game in wgtn the other year were awesome

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Mexico were an exciting team in that game. Great game to watch. That said there were enough chances for either team to have won it. Petition to keep the WC finals?

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Before Mexico even scored I was thinking 'Mexico could win this World Cup'. Fantastic display, between two great teams. Mexico seem to often turn up big time at World Cups. I've seen Mexico many times play brilliantly but not quite get the result they were after, so it was great to see them pull this off.

They really went at Germany from the go. Start of the second half got a bit lost, and obviously wanted to protect their lead, but kept a positive counter attack strategy going which they really, really should've scored from more than once.

My worry about Mexico is the amount of missed chances they seem to have, and not just from this game. 

Credit to Germany who I think actually played a very good game, just didn't come off for them, and they were really, really attacking chasing the goal. All or nothing, which is what I love to see. Clearly lost a few big names, but the talent & creativity they have is still there to a decent extent.

If either of these teams beat any other team in the World Cup tomorrow, it wouldn't be a surprise. 

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Unpredictable Mexicans v "efficient" Germans.

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Lonegunmen wrote:

Unpredictable Mexicans v "efficient" Germans.

Oh how those phrases make me sick! It's a good barometer though of a persons ability to talk about football, as soon as anyone says either of those things I think you can just disregard anything else they say about the game as cliche garbage from 20 years ago.

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Remember when the Germans were referred to as Robotic? I think they will find their feet and were a tad unlucky. However, nothing can take away the passion of the mexicans. That number 22 of theirs had that left flank all to himself in this game. He owned it!

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Sweden & Korea both look utter gobshark compared to Mexico & Germany.

VAR correctly gave a penalty to Sweden, but that was about the only way they were going to score tonight. 

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This Mexican team reminds me a little of the great team of 1986 with Hugo Sanchez.

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Mexico should top the group.

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How do they do it!

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That late goal by South Korea could really affect the outcome...if Sweden just win over Mexico and Germany beat South Korea, then Mexico will be out!  

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Yep, pretty weird how despite two wins Mexico basically still have a do-or-go home game.

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There is a very real possibility that Mexico will not qualify despite having six points.  

If Germany beat Korea (highly likely) and Sweden beat Mexico (very possible) we have three on six.  Yet in other groups, four points will be enough to go through. That is the system though, they all know what is required.

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D-Sidi wrote:

That late goal by South Korea could really affect the outcome...if Sweden just win over Mexico and Germany beat South Korea, then Mexico will be out!  

Not exactly...The specific scores will be a factor. Mexico could still qualify even if Sweden & Germany both win as below (not my work).

- Mexico need a point vs. Sweden to go through and top the group. They are definitely through with a defeat if Germany fail to win.
- Sweden are guaranteed to qualify if they win or better Germany's result. If they beat Mexico and Germany fail to win, Sweden will top the group.
- Germany must win by two or more goals or better Sweden's result to guarantee qualifying.
- If both Germany and Sweden draw, the team in the higher-scoring game will finish second. If both draws are the same scoreline, Germany finish second on head-to-head.
- South Korea must beat Germany and hope Sweden lose to Mexico to have a chance of qualifying.

THREE-WAY TIE FOR FIRST AND SECOND
- If Sweden and Germany win, they will finish level on six points with Mexico, and it will first come down to goal difference.
- Sweden are guaranteed to qualify in all scenarios.
- Germany are guaranteed to qualify if they win by two goals.
- Mexico can only qualify if both games are won by one goal, and Mexico's game is either higher scoring or both the same score one-goal margin apart from 1-0
- If Sweden win by two or more goals, they are through, and that would mean Germany are guaranteed to qualify with any win (Mexico out).
- If Germany win by two or more goals they are through, with Sweden through with any win (Mexico out).
- If both Germany and Sweden win 1-0, the three teams would have identical records and it would go to head-to-head mini-league, and this would see Germany and Sweden through on goals scored. Mexico would be out by virtue of scoring one fewer goal in games between the three countries. First and second would be decided on Fair Play and at present Sweden's score is -3 and Germany's -5, so Sweden would finish top. Obviously this could change on the final matchday.
- If both Germany and Sweden win 2-1, then Sweden would win the group on head-to-head goals scored (they would have three goals in games between the three countries to Germany and Mexico's two). Second and third would be decided by Fair Play, and at present Mexico's score is -2 and Germany's -5 (Jerome Boateng's red card worth -3 the difference). Each yellow card is worth -1 so Mexico would be through unless they have several players booked or someone sent off compared to Germany.
- If both Germany and Sweden win 3-2 (or any higher one-goal identical margin of victory), then Sweden would win the group with Mexico second and Germany third on head-to-head mini-league goals scored.
- The only other way Mexico can go through, at the expense of Germany, if is both games are won by one goal, but Mexico's defeat against Sweden is a higher-scoring game.
- If Sweden win by one goal, and Germany win by one goal but in a higher-scoring game, Germany win the group with Sweden in second and Mexico out

THREE-WAY TIE FOR SECOND
- If South Korea win and Sweden lose there will be a three-way tie for second on three points for Germany, Sweden and South Korea. It will first come down to goal difference.
- If South Korea beat Germany by two goals, they are guaranteed to finish second
- If South Korea beat Germany 1-0 and Sweden lose 1-0 to Mexico, it will come down to Fair Play between Germany and Sweden with South Korea out on head-to-head goals scored. At present Sweden's score is -3 and Germany's -5, so Sweden best placed for second though that will change.
- If both games are won by the same one-goal margin other than 1-0, then Germany finish second on head-to-head goals scored.
- If South Korea beat Germany by a higher-scoring one-goal margin than Sweden lose to Mexico by, then South Korea would finish second on direct head-to-head against Germany with Sweden bottom.
- If Sweden lose to Mexico by a higher-scoring one-goal margin than South Korea beat Germany, then Sweden would finish second on goals scored.
- If Sweden lose by more than one goal, they cannot qualify, and South Korea would therefore finish second with any victory

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D-Sidi wrote:

That late goal by South Korea could really affect the outcome...if Sweden just win over Mexico and Germany beat South Korea, then Mexico will be out!  

Not exactly...The specific scores will be a factor. Mexico could still qualify even if Sweden & Germany both win as below (not my work).

- Mexico need a point vs. Sweden to go through and top the group. They are definitely through with a defeat if Germany fail to win.
- Sweden are guaranteed to qualify if they win or better Germany's result. If they beat Mexico and Germany fail to win, Sweden will top the group.
- Germany must win by two or more goals or better Sweden's result to guarantee qualifying.
- If both Germany and Sweden draw, the team in the higher-scoring game will finish second. If both draws are the same scoreline, Germany finish second on head-to-head.
- South Korea must beat Germany and hope Sweden lose to Mexico to have a chance of qualifying.

THREE-WAY TIE FOR FIRST AND SECOND
- If Sweden and Germany win, they will finish level on six points with Mexico, and it will first come down to goal difference.
- Sweden are guaranteed to qualify in all scenarios.
- Germany are guaranteed to qualify if they win by two goals.
- Mexico can only qualify if both games are won by one goal, and Mexico's game is either higher scoring or both the same score one-goal margin apart from 1-0
- If Sweden win by two or more goals, they are through, and that would mean Germany are guaranteed to qualify with any win (Mexico out).
- If Germany win by two or more goals they are through, with Sweden through with any win (Mexico out).
- If both Germany and Sweden win 1-0, the three teams would have identical records and it would go to head-to-head mini-league, and this would see Germany and Sweden through on goals scored. Mexico would be out by virtue of scoring one fewer goal in games between the three countries. First and second would be decided on Fair Play and at present Sweden's score is -3 and Germany's -5, so Sweden would finish top. Obviously this could change on the final matchday.
- If both Germany and Sweden win 2-1, then Sweden would win the group on head-to-head goals scored (they would have three goals in games between the three countries to Germany and Mexico's two). Second and third would be decided by Fair Play, and at present Mexico's score is -2 and Germany's -5 (Jerome Boateng's red card worth -3 the difference). Each yellow card is worth -1 so Mexico would be through unless they have several players booked or someone sent off compared to Germany.
- If both Germany and Sweden win 3-2 (or any higher one-goal identical margin of victory), then Sweden would win the group with Mexico second and Germany third on head-to-head mini-league goals scored.
- The only other way Mexico can go through, at the expense of Germany, if is both games are won by one goal, but Mexico's defeat against Sweden is a higher-scoring game.
- If Sweden win by one goal, and Germany win by one goal but in a higher-scoring game, Germany win the group with Sweden in second and Mexico out

THREE-WAY TIE FOR SECOND
- If South Korea win and Sweden lose there will be a three-way tie for second on three points for Germany, Sweden and South Korea. It will first come down to goal difference.
- If South Korea beat Germany by two goals, they are guaranteed to finish second
- If South Korea beat Germany 1-0 and Sweden lose 1-0 to Mexico, it will come down to Fair Play between Germany and Sweden with South Korea out on head-to-head goals scored. At present Sweden's score is -3 and Germany's -5, so Sweden best placed for second though that will change.
- If both games are won by the same one-goal margin other than 1-0, then Germany finish second on head-to-head goals scored.
- If South Korea beat Germany by a higher-scoring one-goal margin than Sweden lose to Mexico by, then South Korea would finish second on direct head-to-head against Germany with Sweden bottom.
- If Sweden lose to Mexico by a higher-scoring one-goal margin than South Korea beat Germany, then Sweden would finish second on goals scored.
- If Sweden lose by more than one goal, they cannot qualify, and South Korea would therefore finish second with any victory

This is just doing my head in. 

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Excellent display by Sweden.

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Excellent display by South Korea too!

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Germany deserved to be kicked out.

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As hard as it is to believe I predicted Germany would crash out of the World Cup in the group stages. I even got $20 from a German friend who doubted my prediction

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Germany gone burgers! who would have thought...from champs to chumps in 4 years

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Germany gone burgers! who would have thought...from champs to chumps in 4 years

Same happened to Italy and Spain as well. Looks like it's cursed now

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Lachyloolaa wrote:

Germany gone burgers! who would have thought...from champs to chumps in 4 years

Same happened to Italy and Spain as well. Looks like it's cursed now

and France

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Also quirky is the fact that no winner of the Confederations Cup have won the World Cup the following year.

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