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Price increase for beIN through Sky TV from $11.95 to $16.10 from August 1

Not sure if the online platform beIN Connect is increasing in price also?

Currently it's $17.99 per month

When the fudge will they add an on demand viewing capability to beIN Connect so you don't have to stay up all night to watch games?

Or stream more than one EPL game at a time live?

At least they have a lot of pre-season friendlies this month on beIN 2:

Manchester United vs. LA Galaxy live 2 pm Sunday on beIN Sports 2 in NZ

Man Utd vs. Real Salt Lake live 2 pm Tuesday beIN 2

See here for NZ viewing schedule for all pre-season friendlies on beIN Sport 2:

https://connect.beinsports.com/nz/tv-guide/

All the International Champions Cup games are live on beIN 2 in NZ:

Held in three countries: USA, China, Singapore.

USA tournament: Man Utd joined by Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juve, Man City, PSG, Roma and Spurs.

First USA tournament game 2 pm Thursday NZT Roma vs PSG

Man Utd vs. Man City is the next day.

USA Tournament website for schedule:

http://www.internationalchampionscup.com/territori...

China tournament website:

http://www.internationalchampionscup.com/territori...

China line-up: Arsenal, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Dortmund, Bayern, Lyon

First game 11.10 pm Tuesday NZT AC Milan vs. Dortmund

Singapore line-up (end of July):

http://www.internationalchampionscup.com/territori...

Chelsea, Bayern, Inter Milan

Cool !

Have been missing my football fix.

Always fun to see the new signings debut & youngsters and squad players you don't normally see get a run in the pre-season games.

Plus all the transfer speculation from the commentators.

LG
Legend
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23K
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over 16 years

BeIN online has not worked for the entire season last season, despite paying for it. Am looking at dumping Sky altogether anyway in the next few weeks. Sick of the self promos all the friggen time.

First Team Squad
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1.7K
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over 15 years

Honestly the offering from some kids in their bedrooms nowadays is superb. Soccerstreams for streams; will get HD and English commentary basically every time (compared to SkyGo it is faultless). Then with Football Highlights you can watch full replays of matches within a few hours.

I don't mind paying for a quality service but these two 'free' methods blast Sky/beIN out of the water.

Marquee
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8.1K
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over 16 years

20 Legend wrote:

Honestly the offering from some kids in their bedrooms nowadays is superb. Soccerstreams for streams; will get HD and English commentary basically every time (compared to SkyGo it is faultless). Then with Football Highlights you can watch full replays of matches within a few hours.

I don't mind paying for a quality service but these two 'free' methods blast Sky/beIN out of the water.

And that's the problem. The guys who own the content don't have the means to deliver it. The guys who have the means to deliver it but don't legally have the content.

Ultimately a year in and Bein still have a shark platform that doesn't compete with the predecessor and they have the balls to charge more for it.

Would love to know Bein v PLP # comparison to see if simply having the content is enough.

One year down 2 more years to go? Hopefully Bein give up on NZ by the end of it.

Starting XI
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2.5K
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about 12 years

brumbys wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

Honestly the offering from some kids in their bedrooms nowadays is superb. Soccerstreams for streams; will get HD and English commentary basically every time (compared to SkyGo it is faultless). Then with Football Highlights you can watch full replays of matches within a few hours.

I don't mind paying for a quality service but these two 'free' methods blast Sky/beIN out of the water.

Hopefully Bein give up on NZ by the end of it.

ok and then what happens?  we could be left with only the above illegal streams as options?  

First Team Squad
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1.4K
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If you've got friends in Australia, try and see if they can sign-up for Optus for you, or in my case a kind friend has kindly given me one of his log-ins. A cheap VPN to circumvent the geoblock and you're away laughing.

Phoenix Academy
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480
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over 16 years

I can find a free stream easy enough these days, that if I do watch it live then its ok. And yea, fullmatchesandshows is a great alternative for delayed games. No way am I going to pay for it

First Team Squad
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over 15 years

Call me a bit of a dickhead but I'm not a huge fan of supporting the Qatari government's enterprise either. Fudge them.

Starting XI
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over 14 years

I've been using a paid service which results in on demand and live streaming of every major league/sporting event  on the planet which has a tv camera present. it's changed the game for me and how i consume sporting content.

Waiting to see how the content holders will respond. I hope it will be the dazn model of response, not a draconian legal response against consumers.

Starting XI
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2.4K
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over 8 years

Until a service that is fairly priced and usable is available I have no moral issue with streaming. Same as I did for movies, TV shows and Music before Netflix and Spotify. PLP was good and I paid for it. Won't be going near BeIn though. soccerstreams all the way.

Marquee
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over 16 years

chopah wrote:

brumbys wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

Honestly the offering from some kids in their bedrooms nowadays is superb. Soccerstreams for streams; will get HD and English commentary basically every time (compared to SkyGo it is faultless). Then with Football Highlights you can watch full replays of matches within a few hours.

I don't mind paying for a quality service but these two 'free' methods blast Sky/beIN out of the water.

Hopefully Bein give up on NZ by the end of it.

ok and then what happens?  we could be left with only the above illegal streams as options?  

Any of the other players in NZ/AU has a crack at the rights. It's well known Bein over paid for the AU/NZ rights and royally f*cked up - they wanted exclusivity and didn't get it.

But to be honest if they didn't and I'm left with illegal streams and on demand via other website's I've still got more access to the content than Bein provides. That's the tradgidy of it all.

Legend
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15K
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almost 17 years

zonknz wrote:

I've been using a paid service which results in on demand and live streaming of every major league/sporting event  on the planet which has a tv camera present. it's changed the game for me and how i consume sporting content.

Waiting to see how the content holders will respond. I hope it will be the dazn model of response, not a draconian legal response against consumers.

What is this service?

Starting XI
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2.1K
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over 14 years

Vader Streams. When used with the kodi plugin, their matchcentre EPG of specific sporting events is awesome. 7 days of on-demand content

Trialist
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140
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over 14 years

brumbys wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

Honestly the offering from some kids in their bedrooms nowadays is superb. Soccerstreams for streams; will get HD and English commentary basically every time (compared to SkyGo it is faultless). Then with Football Highlights you can watch full replays of matches within a few hours.

I don't mind paying for a quality service but these two 'free' methods blast Sky/beIN out of the water.

And that's the problem. The guys who own the content don't have the means to deliver it. The guys who have the means to deliver it but don't legally have the content.

Ultimately a year in and Bein still have a shark platform that doesn't compete with the predecessor and they have the balls to charge more for it.

Would love to know Bein v PLP # comparison to see if simply having the content is enough.

One year down 2 more years to go? Hopefully Bein give up on NZ by the end of it.

I love the current platform. Better quality and I can record up to four games at a time and watch when it suits me. This meets my needs.

I get my coverage from Vodafone via cable and haven't been advised of any price increase yet.

Marquee
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8.1K
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over 16 years

Traveller wrote:

brumbys wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

Honestly the offering from some kids in their bedrooms nowadays is superb. Soccerstreams for streams; will get HD and English commentary basically every time (compared to SkyGo it is faultless). Then with Football Highlights you can watch full replays of matches within a few hours.

I don't mind paying for a quality service but these two 'free' methods blast Sky/beIN out of the water.

And that's the problem. The guys who own the content don't have the means to deliver it. The guys who have the means to deliver it but don't legally have the content.

Ultimately a year in and Bein still have a shark platform that doesn't compete with the predecessor and they have the balls to charge more for it.

Would love to know Bein v PLP # comparison to see if simply having the content is enough.

One year down 2 more years to go? Hopefully Bein give up on NZ by the end of it.

I love the current platform. Better quality and I can record up to four games at a time and watch when it suits me. This meets my needs.

I get my coverage from Vodafone via cable and haven't been advised of any price increase yet.

How are you recording? MySky?

Trialist
20
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140
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over 14 years

T Box, I have 2 of them.

Marquee
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almost 17 years

Nelfoos wrote:

Until a service that is fairly priced and usable is available I have no moral issue with streaming. Same as I did for movies, TV shows and Music before Netflix and Spotify. PLP was good and I paid for it. Won't be going near BeIn though. soccerstreams all the way.

I have the same attitude to cars - until companies such as Ferrari and Aston Martin start providing me with what I believe to be fairly priced and readily available models, I have no moral issue with stealing them.

First Team Squad
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1.7K
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over 15 years

Frankie Mac wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Until a service that is fairly priced and usable is available I have no moral issue with streaming. Same as I did for movies, TV shows and Music before Netflix and Spotify. PLP was good and I paid for it. Won't be going near BeIn though. soccerstreams all the way.

I have the same attitude to cars - until companies such as Ferrari and Aston Martin start providing me with what I believe to be fairly priced and readily available models, I have no moral issue with stealing them.

The main difference is Ferrari doesn't get exclusive rights for the roads. If the government was charging exorbitant rates for said roads and leaving them in a worse condition that a few years ago you'd probably feel better about driving without a registration.

Legend
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15K
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almost 17 years

Frankie Mac wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Until a service that is fairly priced and usable is available I have no moral issue with streaming. Same as I did for movies, TV shows and Music before Netflix and Spotify. PLP was good and I paid for it. Won't be going near BeIn though. soccerstreams all the way.

I have the same attitude to cars - until companies such as Ferrari and Aston Martin start providing me with what I believe to be fairly priced and readily available models, I have no moral issue with stealing them.

Apples and Oranges

Marquee
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almost 17 years

perhaps, but it is the attitude of "I don't like the price of that product offered, so I steal it" that I don't like. Every one can wah on about it being a victim less crime, and claim that if Sky/BeIN offered them exactly what they wanted they would be happy to pay, but it is still piracy and therefore stealing in my book. 

Starting XI
480
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2.1K
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over 14 years

To be clear, it;s nothing to do with price. I use a paid-for servce - For me It's about access on-demand content, live or delayed, of the game that suits me, on any device. That's what bein and sky's current offerings fail to deliver, and why i'm not interested in them. 

I would have stuck with PLP and livesport's coverage of the A-League had both services existed in their current form.

I am hoping we see the rise of DAZN over the next year or two, or providers following that model.

Legend
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14K
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over 16 years

Frankie Mac wrote:

perhaps, but it is the attitude of "I don't like the price of that product offered, so I steal it" that I don't like. Every one can wah on about it being a victim less crime, and claim that if Sky/BeIN offered them exactly what they wanted they would be happy to pay, but it is still piracy and therefore stealing in my book. 

Nah it's more like if you'd been driving a TESLA around on lease at a great rate and then ordered one, and they kept putting back the date they'd ship it to you and then they say they'd ship it in 3 wheels only and piece by piece at 3 times the price and in the meantime you've still gotta get around...

my response has just been not to watch. Which has sucked. PLP was great.

Legend
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15K
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almost 17 years

martinb wrote:

Frankie Mac wrote:

perhaps, but it is the attitude of "I don't like the price of that product offered, so I steal it" that I don't like. Every one can wah on about it being a victim less crime, and claim that if Sky/BeIN offered them exactly what they wanted they would be happy to pay, but it is still piracy and therefore stealing in my book. 

Nah it's more like if you'd been driving a TESLA around on lease at a great rate and then ordered one, and they kept putting back the date they'd ship it to you and then they say they'd ship it in 3 wheels only and piece by piece at 3 times the price and in the meantime you've still gotta get around...

my response has just been not to watch. Which has sucked. PLP was great.

Good analogy... not to mention they just put the price of the lease up too, despite not having given us the 4th wheel yet

Starting XI
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about 12 years
Marquee
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over 12 years

As a consumer your choice is pay for an overpriced sub-standard product or don't. If you don't pay for it and then watch through other means then Sky/BeIn are no worse off than if you don't pay for it and don't watch it at all. The Ferrari analogy fails because if you steal aa Ferrari then someone else has one less Ferrari. The fact that people here are talking about paying for overseas streaming services shows it's not about not wanting to pay at all, but about wanting to pay a reasonable price for a decent product.

The same thing happened with Napster damaging the CD market, but when paid alternatives to Napster (iTunes, Spotify) became available people showed they would be willing to pay. Ditto torrenting and tv shows/movies (Netflix, lightbox, Neon, Hulu etc). 

The only way companies like Sky and BeIn will improve their pricing and product is if they lose money and subscribers. If we all just kept paying for whatever shark they provide then why would they ever try to improve it?

Marquee
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8.1K
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over 16 years

Doesn't solve the product in the long run. It'll maybe grow some people into paying for content but if the access to it like we have in NZ isn't up to scratch then they won't gain much. People will just switch off.

Starting XI
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over 14 years

Dns blocking will do bugger all. Easy to work around, and applies to the UK only.

I pay for content where possible. Spotify has nullified my consumption of music from illicit sources. Bring on a proper on-demand product.

Marquee
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8.1K
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over 16 years

zonknz wrote:

Dns blocking will do bugger all. Easy to work around, and applies to the UK only.

I pay for content where possible. Spotify has nullified my consumption of music from illicit sources. Bring on a proper on-demand product.

Totally agree, between Spotify and Netflix they've changed my habits significantly.

First Team Squad
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1.7K
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over 15 years

brumbys wrote:

Doesn't solve the product in the long run. It'll maybe grow some people into paying for content but if the access to it like we have in NZ isn't up to scratch then they won't gain much. People will just switch off.

I reckon this is what has already happened in New Zealand to rugby. Rugby doesn't resonate with young people because they don't have Sky or grew up without Sky (in my case). Same can be said for the overpriced stadium tickets/food.

Trialist
2
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4
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over 15 years

From Bein Sports NZ twitter: "We are launching a new service this week with every Premier League match live plus a catch up feature."

https://twitter.com/beINSPORTS_NZ/status/892156776...

Be interesting to see how much it will cost, something similar to Premier League Pass and I'll be in.

Tegal
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Head Sleuth
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19K
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almost 17 years

After last year, I'll believe it when I see it. 

Starting XI
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3.7K
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over 14 years

So I have Sky and am able to watch pretty much every Chelsea game live or recorded so I've not paid much attention to the state of the online service available.

I know its probably been covered but I'm thinking of dropping Sky so could someone give me a quick run down as to the state of the online service?

Cheers.

Edited

Starting XI
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over 11 years

Currently there is no on-demand service in NZ. Bein's online offering last season was a live stream of 2 of their Sky channels with no on demand. Their latest tweet suggests some improvements for this session but we'll have to wait for details.

Starting XI
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I meant to say online instead of on demand. How does one access their online service?

Marquee
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about 17 years

As a consumer your choice is pay for an overpriced sub-standard product or don't. If you don't pay for it and then watch through other means then Sky/BeIn are no worse off than if you don't pay for it and don't watch it at all. The Ferrari analogy fails because if you steal aa Ferrari then someone else has one less Ferrari. The fact that people here are talking about paying for overseas streaming services shows it's not about not wanting to pay at all, but about wanting to pay a reasonable price for a decent product.

The same thing happened with Napster damaging the CD market, but when paid alternatives to Napster (iTunes, Spotify) became available people showed they would be willing to pay. Ditto torrenting and tv shows/movies (Netflix, lightbox, Neon, Hulu etc). 

The only way companies like Sky and BeIn will improve their pricing and product is if they lose money and subscribers. If we all just kept paying for whatever shark they provide then why would they ever try to improve it?

Mmmm, not sure that's how they would see it given they have paid for the exclusive rights.  The price they pay is on the basis of the service they can offer in NZ.  If you can just pay for it elsewhere (or get it for free) from someone with a different business model then that undermines the value of the rights that they have paid for.  

Starting XI
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Downey26 wrote:

I meant to say online instead of on demand. How does one access their online service?

https://connect-nz.beinsports.com/en

Login there with your Sky login if you subscribe to their Sky channels. Otherwise you can pay for this separately.

Marquee
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9.5K
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over 12 years

james dean wrote:

As a consumer your choice is pay for an overpriced sub-standard product or don't. If you don't pay for it and then watch through other means then Sky/BeIn are no worse off than if you don't pay for it and don't watch it at all. The Ferrari analogy fails because if you steal aa Ferrari then someone else has one less Ferrari. The fact that people here are talking about paying for overseas streaming services shows it's not about not wanting to pay at all, but about wanting to pay a reasonable price for a decent product.

The same thing happened with Napster damaging the CD market, but when paid alternatives to Napster (iTunes, Spotify) became available people showed they would be willing to pay. Ditto torrenting and tv shows/movies (Netflix, lightbox, Neon, Hulu etc). 

The only way companies like Sky and BeIn will improve their pricing and product is if they lose money and subscribers. If we all just kept paying for whatever shark they provide then why would they ever try to improve it?

Mmmm, not sure that's how they would see it given they have paid for the exclusive rights.  The price they pay is on the basis of the service they can offer in NZ.  If you can just pay for it elsewhere (or get it for free) from someone with a different business model then that undermines the value of the rights that they have paid for.  

So, if a subscriber quits Sky and watches by other means Sky is materially worse off than if the same subscriber quit Sky and didn't watch at all? As far as I can tell Sky's revenue and costs are the same in both cases.

I get that the ability to access content by other means lowers the threshold for quitting Sky, so illegal access does harm Sky, but obviously plenty of people are willing to pay if the service is reasonable and the price is fair. Because Sky's exclusive rights give them a monopoly on legal access to the games the usual way to drive prices down (entry into the market by a competitor) can't happen here, at least not at the point where consumers can choose between two or more providers (maybe at the rights bidding stage but Sky's pre-existing monopoly gives them a huge advantage).

Sky's monopoly is legal but it's still a monopoly. I totally get that Sky's only loyalty is to its shareholders and they have no obligation to change anything just because consumers are pissed off. The only way they will change is by losing subscribers to the point where they have to change something to stay viable. 

Starting XI
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2.1K
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over 14 years

Sky's monopoly is legal but it's still a monopoly. I totally get that Sky's only loyalty is to its shareholders and they have no obligation to change anything just because consumers are pissed off. The only way they will change is by losing subscribers to the point where they have to change something to stay viable. 

It's not quite as simple as that for an incumbent. While they manage the start of the downward trend, they erode the value of, and trust in, their brand.

Marquee
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8.2K
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about 17 years

james dean wrote:

As a consumer your choice is pay for an overpriced sub-standard product or don't. If you don't pay for it and then watch through other means then Sky/BeIn are no worse off than if you don't pay for it and don't watch it at all. The Ferrari analogy fails because if you steal aa Ferrari then someone else has one less Ferrari. The fact that people here are talking about paying for overseas streaming services shows it's not about not wanting to pay at all, but about wanting to pay a reasonable price for a decent product.

The same thing happened with Napster damaging the CD market, but when paid alternatives to Napster (iTunes, Spotify) became available people showed they would be willing to pay. Ditto torrenting and tv shows/movies (Netflix, lightbox, Neon, Hulu etc). 

The only way companies like Sky and BeIn will improve their pricing and product is if they lose money and subscribers. If we all just kept paying for whatever shark they provide then why would they ever try to improve it?

Mmmm, not sure that's how they would see it given they have paid for the exclusive rights.  The price they pay is on the basis of the service they can offer in NZ.  If you can just pay for it elsewhere (or get it for free) from someone with a different business model then that undermines the value of the rights that they have paid for.  

So, if a subscriber quits Sky and watches by other means Sky is materially worse off than if the same subscriber quit Sky and didn't watch at all? As far as I can tell Sky's revenue and costs are the same in both cases.

I get that the ability to access content by other means lowers the threshold for quitting Sky, so illegal access does harm Sky, but obviously plenty of people are willing to pay if the service is reasonable and the price is fair. Because Sky's exclusive rights give them a monopoly on legal access to the games the usual way to drive prices down (entry into the market by a competitor) can't happen here, at least not at the point where consumers can choose between two or more providers (maybe at the rights bidding stage but Sky's pre-existing monopoly gives them a huge advantage).

Sky's monopoly is legal but it's still a monopoly. I totally get that Sky's only loyalty is to its shareholders and they have no obligation to change anything just because consumers are pissed off. The only way they will change is by losing subscribers to the point where they have to change something to stay viable. 

When sky or any broadcast pays for rights they do so on the basis of exclusivity.  If you can just go off and get the product elsewhere it means that the thing they have paid for is worth less then what they have paid for it.  It does harm them because the thing that they have paid for loses value.

Sky is not a monopoly in any sense of the word.  Buying exclusive rights is not a monopoly - all sporting rights are sold exclusively.

Marquee
5.3K
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9.5K
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over 12 years

james dean wrote:

james dean wrote:

As a consumer your choice is pay for an overpriced sub-standard product or don't. If you don't pay for it and then watch through other means then Sky/BeIn are no worse off than if you don't pay for it and don't watch it at all. The Ferrari analogy fails because if you steal aa Ferrari then someone else has one less Ferrari. The fact that people here are talking about paying for overseas streaming services shows it's not about not wanting to pay at all, but about wanting to pay a reasonable price for a decent product.

The same thing happened with Napster damaging the CD market, but when paid alternatives to Napster (iTunes, Spotify) became available people showed they would be willing to pay. Ditto torrenting and tv shows/movies (Netflix, lightbox, Neon, Hulu etc). 

The only way companies like Sky and BeIn will improve their pricing and product is if they lose money and subscribers. If we all just kept paying for whatever shark they provide then why would they ever try to improve it?

Mmmm, not sure that's how they would see it given they have paid for the exclusive rights.  The price they pay is on the basis of the service they can offer in NZ.  If you can just pay for it elsewhere (or get it for free) from someone with a different business model then that undermines the value of the rights that they have paid for.  

So, if a subscriber quits Sky and watches by other means Sky is materially worse off than if the same subscriber quit Sky and didn't watch at all? As far as I can tell Sky's revenue and costs are the same in both cases.

I get that the ability to access content by other means lowers the threshold for quitting Sky, so illegal access does harm Sky, but obviously plenty of people are willing to pay if the service is reasonable and the price is fair. Because Sky's exclusive rights give them a monopoly on legal access to the games the usual way to drive prices down (entry into the market by a competitor) can't happen here, at least not at the point where consumers can choose between two or more providers (maybe at the rights bidding stage but Sky's pre-existing monopoly gives them a huge advantage).

Sky's monopoly is legal but it's still a monopoly. I totally get that Sky's only loyalty is to its shareholders and they have no obligation to change anything just because consumers are pissed off. The only way they will change is by losing subscribers to the point where they have to change something to stay viable. 

When sky or any broadcast pays for rights they do so on the basis of exclusivity.  If you can just go off and get the product elsewhere it means that the thing they have paid for is worth less then what they have paid for it.  It does harm them because the thing that they have paid for loses value.

Sky is not a monopoly in any sense of the word.  Buying exclusive rights is not a monopoly - all sporting rights are sold exclusively.

Sky's control of sports broadcasting in New Zealand is a monopoly. Just because it's based on exclusive rights and that's the global model, it doesn't mean they aren't a monopoly. They might not meet legal threshold for anticompetitive practices because of the nature of their industry but it doesn't mean they aren't a monopoly either. 

http://m.economictimes.com/definition/monopoly

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