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The price to watch all 48 matches live and "on-demand" on Spark Sport increases to $79.99 if rugby fans leave buying a pass until June, and Spark will bump the price up to $89.99 during the nine days before the tournament starts on September 20.

Hmm, interesting strategy to punish latecomers. Also no discount or benefit offered to existing subscribers, there's an incentive there for people who sign up early for the RWC but no incentive for those already handing over $180 over the course of the F1 season.

I hope the PL isn't offered on a separate pay-per-view basis next season, but suspect it will be. A season of F1 + a September sign up to the RWC clocks in at $270, chuck an extra $20 p/m on there for the EPL from August thru May and you're talking $450.

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Still can't believe there are people out there saying the $70, $80 or $90 for the five weeks for just the rugby is cheaper than sky? Sky basic + sports for the same time is no more than $70.00. And you'd have got access to all sports, plus other stuff that you may or may not want to watch.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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theprof wrote:
Still can't believe there are people out there saying the $70, $80 or $90 for the five weeks for just the rugby is cheaper than sky? Sky basic + sports for the same time is no more than $70.00. And you'd have got access to all sports, plus other stuff that you may or may not want to watch.

Early bird is $60. All games, live, on-demand, anytime, anywhere.

Sky Sport is 2 or 3 monthly billing periods (so at best $140), but you'd also have ad breaks (on a paid service for fudge sakes!), a 12-month minimum contract, no (or completely useless at best) on-demand offering with the rugby or any other of those sports. (Does the $70/month sky even include MySky/HD??)

I don't care much for Rugby, but if someone offered an all access pass to the Football World Cup for $60 I'd have bitten their hand off.

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I think that's coming from the perspective that it's similar to a month of Sky with Sport, but you have to commit to 6-12 months of at least basic Sky rather than being able to get it for just 1 month wouldn't you?

Anyway $60 seems a good deal, I expected more like $150. Very surprised all NZ games will be FTA though which I would imagine would cut down the number of subscribers. There will be the hardcore (and technologically capable) fan who wants to watch the majority of games so will pay. But I expect a lot of people will now just say "fudge it I'll just wait an hour, and the semis and final are live anyway." As an England fan I'll probably go with the $60 option since individual games are $25 and none of their's will be FTA. Hope to get a PS4 app so I don't need to buy a new device for a one off event.

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theprof wrote:
Still can't believe there are people out there saying the $70, $80 or $90 for the five weeks for just the rugby is cheaper than sky? Sky basic + sports for the same time is no more than $70.00. And you'd have got access to all sports, plus other stuff that you may or may not want to watch.

Early bird is $60. All games, live, on-demand, anytime, anywhere.

Sky Sport is 2 or 3 monthly billing periods (so at best $140), but you'd also have ad breaks (on a paid service for fudge sakes!), a 12-month minimum contract, no (or completely useless at best) on-demand offering with the rugby or any other of those sports. (Does the $70/month sky even include MySky/HD??)

I don't care much for Rugby, but if someone offered an all access pass to the Football World Cup for $60 I'd have bitten their hand off.

RWC is for 5 weeks, so hardly 3-4 billing cycles. I have sky basic+sport in HD, Monthly bill $73. for that I not only get access to more than one sport, more than one tournament I get access to a whole range of other crappy TV shows that I might want to spend time viewing. No matter how you break it down $60 for 5 weeks is $12 a week for just the Rugby World Cup. Whereas with Sky you get a-league, cricket, darts, superbikes, AFT etc etc

Queenslander 3x a year.

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theprof wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

theprof wrote:
Still can't believe there are people out there saying the $70, $80 or $90 for the five weeks for just the rugby is cheaper than sky? Sky basic + sports for the same time is no more than $70.00. And you'd have got access to all sports, plus other stuff that you may or may not want to watch.

Early bird is $60. All games, live, on-demand, anytime, anywhere.

Sky Sport is 2 or 3 monthly billing periods (so at best $140), but you'd also have ad breaks (on a paid service for fudge sakes!), a 12-month minimum contract, no (or completely useless at best) on-demand offering with the rugby or any other of those sports. (Does the $70/month sky even include MySky/HD??)

I don't care much for Rugby, but if someone offered an all access pass to the Football World Cup for $60 I'd have bitten their hand off.

RWC is for 5 weeks, so hardly 3-4 billing cycles. I have sky basic+sport in HD, Monthly bill $73. for that I not only get access to more than one sport, more than one tournament I get access to a whole range of other crappy TV shows that I might want to spend time viewing. No matter how you break it down $60 for 5 weeks is $12 a week for just the Rugby World Cup. Whereas with Sky you get a-league, cricket, darts, superbikes, AFT etc etc

but with Sky you have to commit to a 12 month minimum contract so thats $876, compared to $60 - $90 for 5 weeks of Rugby.

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theprof wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

theprof wrote:
Still can't believe there are people out there saying the $70, $80 or $90 for the five weeks for just the rugby is cheaper than sky? Sky basic + sports for the same time is no more than $70.00. And you'd have got access to all sports, plus other stuff that you may or may not want to watch.

Early bird is $60. All games, live, on-demand, anytime, anywhere.

Sky Sport is 2 or 3 monthly billing periods (so at best $140), but you'd also have ad breaks (on a paid service for fudge sakes!), a 12-month minimum contract, no (or completely useless at best) on-demand offering with the rugby or any other of those sports. (Does the $70/month sky even include MySky/HD??)

I don't care much for Rugby, but if someone offered an all access pass to the Football World Cup for $60 I'd have bitten their hand off.

RWC is for 5 weeks, so hardly 3-4 billing cycles. I have sky basic+sport in HD, Monthly bill $73. for that I not only get access to more than one sport, more than one tournament I get access to a whole range of other crappy TV shows that I might want to spend time viewing. No matter how you break it down $60 for 5 weeks is $12 a week for just the Rugby World Cup. Whereas with Sky you get a-league, cricket, darts, superbikes, AFT etc etc

but with Sky you have to commit to a 12 month minimum contract so thats $876, compared to $60 - $90 for 5 weeks of Rugby.

Yep, if all you care about is RWC, it really is a great price.  If you are a sports fan, or even a rugby fan it is just another $60 to spend on top of everything else.  Sky aren't great, but the break up of sports/events into different providers is going to cost sports fans more in the pocket than sky's monopoly did.

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but you'd also have ad breaks (on a paid service for fudge sakes!),

Not to defend Sky, but to be fair they use they don't usually interrupt their sports coverage (ie, during play) with ad breaks. That would be maddening. Quite amusing watching the Nascar uninterrupted on Sky with the American commentators frequently buggering off for ads. The ESPN channel does have ads but that's more a product of the frequent stoppages inherent in basketball + NFL. And it's all just ads for ESPN programming anyway, from memory there's nothing commercial.

To be clear re: Spark I think the RWC price is reasonable enough, I just don't like the whole ignoring the 9000 (their numbers) poor sods essentially paying to beta test the platform for them. Surely waving $19.99 of the RWC cost for existing subs would be a reasonable measure. 

Also don't see how they're going to offer the EPL to existing monthly subs, it will surely be a standalone price in line with what they've done for the RWC. Otherwise how does the current $19.99 suddenly stretch to covering that whole new bunch of content. I fear they'll basically just become an online version of Sky's pay per view structure, rather than a flat fee = everything service. Fair enough if that's the direction, but then cut the price of F1 and don't bundle it with MMA + field hockey stuff that I don't watch, and NBA which I already get elsewhere. 

A la carte or buffet, commit to one or the other rather than doing a bit of both.

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Will Sparks broadband be able to cope or will it break down or go sluggish?

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ajc28 wrote:

I think that's coming from the perspective that it's similar to a month of Sky with Sport, but you have to commit to 6-12 months of at least basic Sky rather than being able to get it for just 1 month wouldn't you?

Anyway $60 seems a good deal, I expected more like $150. Very surprised all NZ games will be FTA though which I would imagine would cut down the number of subscribers. There will be the hardcore (and technologically capable) fan who wants to watch the majority of games so will pay. But I expect a lot of people will now just say "fudge it I'll just wait an hour, and the semis and final are live anyway." As an England fan I'll probably go with the $60 option since individual games are $25 and none of their's will be FTA. Hope to get a PS4 app so I don't need to buy a new device for a one off event.

I dunno, I’m not that big of a rugby fan but I’ll be buying it at that price. 

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Will Sparks broadband be able to cope or will it break down or go sluggish?

I'm guessing even spark don't think it will be able to cope given they've put all the NZ games on free to air along with several others in addition to the ones the had to. Listening to people who try to watch the Formula 1 coverage it doesn't sound like its that reliable. Lots of lag and buffering.

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theprof wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

theprof wrote:
Still can't believe there are people out there saying the $70, $80 or $90 for the five weeks for just the rugby is cheaper than sky? Sky basic + sports for the same time is no more than $70.00. And you'd have got access to all sports, plus other stuff that you may or may not want to watch.

Early bird is $60. All games, live, on-demand, anytime, anywhere.

Sky Sport is 2 or 3 monthly billing periods (so at best $140), but you'd also have ad breaks (on a paid service for fudge sakes!), a 12-month minimum contract, no (or completely useless at best) on-demand offering with the rugby or any other of those sports. (Does the $70/month sky even include MySky/HD??)

I don't care much for Rugby, but if someone offered an all access pass to the Football World Cup for $60 I'd have bitten their hand off.

RWC is for 5 weeks, so hardly 3-4 billing cycles. I have sky basic+sport in HD, Monthly bill $73. for that I not only get access to more than one sport, more than one tournament I get access to a whole range of other crappy TV shows that I might want to spend time viewing. No matter how you break it down $60 for 5 weeks is $12 a week for just the Rugby World Cup. Whereas with Sky you get a-league, cricket, darts, superbikes, AFT etc etc

but with Sky you have to commit to a 12 month minimum contract so thats $876, compared to $60 - $90 for 5 weeks of Rugby.

but with spark's online offering you're spending $60ish bucks plus your monthly data subscription which may or may not cope with the speed requirements. That takes your cost for the 5 weeks up to maybe $130?

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Surely you can't include the full monthly internet subscription in the cost, unless you're suggesting people without current plans are going to take out a new one specifically for that 5 weeks then cancel it. I'd imagine that group would be small. Most subscribers will already have internet that they would be paying for anyway. Possible some people may up their mobile plan if they intend to watch games on mobile devices without access to WiFi but again that wouldn't be the majority.

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Where do you draw the line in the cost comparisons.

At this rate we best include your monthly power bill or else how will you power the set-top box, or charge your device to watch online?

Are you going to sit in your lounge and watch? Best include the mortgage, and the cost of your couch too. 

;)

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theprof wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Will Sparks broadband be able to cope or will it break down or go sluggish?

I'm guessing even spark don't think it will be able to cope given they've put all the NZ games on free to air along with several others in addition to the ones the had to. Listening to people who try to watch the Formula 1 coverage it doesn't sound like its that reliable. Lots of lag and buffering.

I think it's clever. The early stages will introduce die-hard fans to the idea of streaming, while many of the population will remain content with delayed coverage. Once you've introduced the idea of streaming sports to these people, you can deliver the semi and final free to air (maybe even get some extra advertising $$$) without the fear of the platform falling over.

Just on the F1 note, I've seen on social media people complaining. But it has worked flawlessly for me and the F1 contingent at my work (I work in at a tech company). Guessing there's a fair amount of user error here.

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But in all seriousness, this is a really good debate. 

There are pros and cons to bundled versus unbundled sports. 

We are in an extended period of change at the moment, and I'm not sure what the final state will look like. 

If we look to the entertainment industry as a guide, as they are further ahead in this game, it doesn't look promising. I don't know about the rest of you, but I frequently think of a film or series I would like to watch, but if it's not on Netflix, Lightbox, TVNZ or Three, then I basically can't watch it. I could purchase Neon or something else to get access to more, but that's far from any guarantee. 

For example, we wanted to watch the Home Improvement series from the 90s after our kids took a liking to the old Full House, but that is not available anywhere. I wanted to watch Seinfeld, but would have to purchase Amazon tv. I liked the Meateater series on Netflix and I wanted to watch Season 1 as it has NZ episodes in it, but that's not on Netflix, only place I could find it is to buy the DVD direct from the Meateater website, for an exorbitant price. 

If you want to have access to any mainstream movie or series, you would have to purchase every service, it's really not a lot different to the sporting landscape. The difference from Sport is that you can sort of make do with the services you have, as there will be other content that might suffice. 

Looks to me like Sky is basically in that boat now. They won't have everything you want, but you might make do, as they have other sports/competitions you will like (ish). 

Anyway that's just a bit of a ramble, but an interesting comparison nonetheless. 

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Yeah. The death of movie/TV streaming will be having too many providers. (Which seems to be the way we're going).

However, in regards to sport it could get cheaper if it helps break down regional barriers and even if the sports do the streaming themselves. Imagine the PL simply $10 a month for their world wide streaming service. Then the Champions league was maybe $50 a season. Etc etc.

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That sounds wonderful (a global streaming offering). 

The american sports seem to be well ahead of the game in that respect. 

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paulm wrote:

Where do you draw the line in the cost comparisons.

At this rate we best include your monthly power bill or else how will you power the set-top box, or charge your device to watch online?

Are you going to sit in your lounge and watch? Best include the mortgage, and the cost of your couch too. 

;)

I totally agree, I guess I'm trying to point out the ridiculous comparisons of those saying spark's offering is cheaper than Sky. They are two totally different things. Comparing Sky's total package cost to what spark is offering is dumb. Apples with apples, skys sport package is no more than $25/month for every sport, so for Rugby it would be no more than $10/month. Compare that to the RWC of $60ish for 5 weeks.

Even if I paid $25/month just for the RWC ie $6/week with Sky its cheaper than $60/5 weeks ie $12/week for spark's offering..

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I think they will have to offer the EPL as part of the $19.99. for as it stands, it's $20 bucks month for what is really a pretty small amount of content.

I have zero interest in motorsport, MMA and little interest in rugby (AB games against Tier 1 nations only) so EPL is the only thing I'd be interested in. I remember PLP was $240 a season (I think), so would assume they would look to include it in their pricing.

Interesting to see where they go,as i think they have set their price pretty high, Kayo in Aus is $25 a month and has pretty much every sport you can imagine (EPL excepted). Full list here - https://www.finder.com.au/sports-on-kayo

So you'd imagine they'd need to add sports to the $20 price point to keep people interested, rather than keep increasing it as they add more sports.

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