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Martial wrote:

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Fred and McTominay now appear to be a serviceable midfield. Not world beating and not very strong for the top 6 but good enough. The problem is if one of them goes down we are left with Pereira -  he hasn't shown he is up to it. Then we need to work out how to break down lesser teams. 

A world class striker and central midfield player, plus a fit and firing Pogba would leave us competing for second this season. Liverpool are a class above unfortunately. Finding world class players who actually fit your team isn't easy to do though.

We desperately need to get through to January with McTominay/Fred playing as many minutes as they possibly can and then get at least one more in. You'd like to hope that the club is already well down the line behind the scenes with any transfer targets. 

Scotty has quickly become one of my favourite players. 

When you think about it, you would have thought that we would have been able to cope with an injury or two at CM thus far in the season - yet when Pogba is long term injured (plus who knows where his mind is at), Matic is packing a sad and McTominay gets injured too, we really look short. As would most teams when three of the same position (City at CB) get injured. 

Pereira is just not at the level but with Matic out the door you would rather look to bring one in for one out rather than ship out Pereira at this stage too. Made a good foul at City tbf. 

McTominay is almost the ideal person and player you need at the moment. Someone who wants to put the hard yards in and then just keeps it simple. Does his job and if others can do theirs then they all look good. Decent leader too

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After a pretty dire first half we've scored 4 in 10 minutes to make sure we win the EL group. Couple of nice finishes from Greenwood and Young and a good penalty from Mata. Not been the most assured performance but pretty comfortable with mostly a B team playing.

Valley FC til I die

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After a pretty dire first half we've scored 4 in 10 minutes to make sure we win the EL group. Couple of nice finishes from Greenwood and Young and a good penalty from Mata. Not been the most assured performance but pretty comfortable with mostly a B team playing.

Job done.

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For the first time this season I didn't get up and watch the game, and sounds like I didn't miss much. Every time we have a huge result we let ourselves down by dropping points to bang average teams. I called a draw in the office tipping too. 

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Against the tougher teams, the team is buying into the more impactful tactics that allows us to be solid defensively and effective in attack. We have the players with the work ethic to do this and it is working. 

Against the other teams, there is a less tactical approach because the games are more about individual expression and ability in order to break teams down / create chances etc. However the players are just not at a level that means they can beat players and create chances. Both in terms of style and in terms of ability. Its where we should be playing Mata instead of Lingard and its where we miss Pogba. Its where we will most benefit by bringing in the types of players like Maddison / Sancho and Haaland / Mandzukic.

Its like we have the players of a 4th-8th place team and the tactics in the bigger games are moving us to the top end of that scale.

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Games like yesterday, for me, exemplify where our team is at.

Against big teams, everyone can step up and do a job. Crucially, when we're being attacked our front 3 can find their own space.

Against little teams, the midfielders of a top 4 team are required to do more than just graft and maintain possession. They need to be able to create opportunities for others, find space for others, get in the box, get assists, get goals... McTominay has chipped in occasionally this year but Fred and whoever has been playing 10 hasn't really.

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Agree with Tekkers in that Mata should be playing the games against teams that are compact defensively. We need a creative number 10 but suspect we won't get one until the summer.

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not sure Haaland is good business

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martinb wrote:

not sure Haaland is good business

Looks like a decent player, I don't understand where he fits in. Martial needs as much game time as he can, same with Greenwood.

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not sure Haaland is good business

Positives: Has been scoring lots of goals and in CL too. Gives depth to forward line. Different type of player to current forwards. Has worked under Ole. Fits into younger player direction. Rumoured to have a below his current value release clause. 

Negatives: Main one = Raiola is his agent. Making sounds that he wants to move somewhere to be a starter. From Austrian league. Born in Leeds, as father played for Leeds and City. Has really only had one good season. More youth doesnt solve inconsistency problems

Ultimately, if United could get him for a price that would fit his role in the team (developing young player that would certainly play games, but would not be a sure starter), then it would be good business. 

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Man United don't have problems with Raiola; they see him as someone who is upfront and doesn't have hidden agendas (albeit he is abrupt). The anti-Raiola stuff was mainly from Fergie.

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Tekkers wrote:

martinb wrote:

not sure Haaland is good business

Positives: Has been scoring lots of goals and in CL too. Gives depth to forward line. Different type of player to current forwards. Has worked under Ole. Fits into younger player direction. Rumoured to have a below his current value release clause. 

Negatives: Main one = Raiola is his agent. Making sounds that he wants to move somewhere to be a starter. From Austrian league. Born in Leeds, as father played for Leeds and City. Has really only had one good season. More youth doesnt solve inconsistency problems

Ultimately, if United could get him for a price that would fit his role in the team (developing young player that would certainly play games, but would not be a sure starter), then it would be good business. 

Maybe it's just the crazy money these days- my sense of scale is out of whack. And the Ole project is about culture. Tell you what though- up against the big 4 managers, with maybe Benitez and Poch to return, he's guna earn every thing he gets. Any slight on field deficiency is guna be analysed and exploited.

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Started watching the game on demand today - got to 25 mins in and knew it was going to be a tough day. There was no energy, no movement and again we lack the creativity to beat these sorts of teams. By the time Pogba changed that, De Gea and AWB errors had meant the game was gone. 

Pretty standard really, need more squad quality so we can change things up when required. 

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Yep, a midfield that can't create anything. Once Pogba came on the difference was evident.

I would start Romero next game. Any team that gets a corner against us looks like scoring because DDG can't come out and catch a ball and he really hasn't been phenominal stopping shots either.

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still can't get over leggy thinking that Man u 3 points above the relegation zone shouldn't mean the coach gets sacked

I guess over time expectations have lowered at man u

Auckland will rise once more

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No one is dropping standards and lowering expectations. People who are "OK" with recent results can comprehend the context around them, the need to improve, the longer term plan, and the fact that changing manager AGAIN is going to leave us back at square one.

The funniest backlash of the loss is that just 2 months ago Pochettino's Spurs drew at home with a dire Watford registering 2 shots on target.

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20 Legend wrote:

The funniest backlash of the loss is that just 2 months ago Pochettino's Spurs drew at home with a dire Watford registering 2 shots on target.

Don't worry, we invited them to our place for shooting practice *facepalm*

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

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still can't get over leggy thinking that Man u 3 points above the relegation zone shouldn't mean the coach gets sacked

I guess over time expectations have lowered at man u

Having high expectations doesn't win you a title by itself though. You need a long term vision and strategy.

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Haaland gone to Borussia. From the BBC "It has been suggested both Alf-Inge Haaland and agent Mino Raiola will get a share of future transfers as part of the deal and this was something United refused to negotiate about. Dortmund have not commented on the suggestion."

There is no way we are signing anyone this window. No new players, no Director of Football, no investment in the club.

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Tekkers wrote:

martinb wrote:

not sure Haaland is good business

Positives: Has been scoring lots of goals and in CL too. Gives depth to forward line. Different type of player to current forwards. Has worked under Ole. Fits into younger player direction. Rumoured to have a below his current value release clause. 

Negatives: Main one = Raiola is his agent. Making sounds that he wants to move somewhere to be a starter. From Austrian league. Born in Leeds, as father played for Leeds and City. Has really only had one good season. More youth doesnt solve inconsistency problems

Ultimately, if United could get him for a price that would fit his role in the team (developing young player that would certainly play games, but would not be a sure starter), then it would be good business. 

As we suspected, Haaland wanted a contract with a sell on %, release clause and that he was a starter. Clearly we cant offer that, so good luck to him. 

Even better than he went to Dortmund which means Sancho to United is on :P

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