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paulm wrote:

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Very excited - hopefully we can get our transfer policy back on track.

This seems like a good way to start with that:

http://global.espn.com/football/soccer-transfers/story/3809790/manchester-united-change-transfer-policy-prefer-emerging-talent-over-past-it-stars-sources

I forgot Fellaini used to play for us. What a horrible time that was.

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20 Legend wrote:

paulm wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

Very excited - hopefully we can get our transfer policy back on track.

This seems like a good way to start with that:

http://global.espn.com/football/soccer-transfers/story/3809790/manchester-united-change-transfer-policy-prefer-emerging-talent-over-past-it-stars-sources

I forgot Fellaini used to play for us. What a horrible time that was.

Got us some pretty vital points at times. Not a subtle player but contributed more to our squad than many we had at the same time. I miss the big Fella, seemed like a great guy but not the sort of footballer United needed, now or ever.

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Aaaaaand United are back in sixth. Two games against the best of the rest and you would have to say that the results and performances were a fair reflection of the squad right now. 

Young's experience and 'leadership' do not make up for his lack of ability to pass, to cross, to defend and to make smart decisions. Back up at best. 

CBs behind Lindelof are just too inconsistent. Jones and Smalling were solid against Watford but then make poor choices against Wolves. Lindelof needs a consistent partner next to him and while I am still willing to give Bailly another chance, it would seem Rojo is a certainty to be out the door. 

Mctominay might have moved ahead of Matic and Fred in the pecking order. Fred was at fault for the first goal and didnt stand out but McTominay had so much energy. Matic hasnt been decent under Solskjaer. Really want Herrera to stay but if we can get an improvement then spend the money. Mata should also be used to free up squad space but those two help keep Dave happy. 

Lingard and Lukaku have been average of late. Rom might not want to be a back up but we need someone to join Rashford and Martial up top and it seems like Rom needs to be the main guy or he doesnt get going. Sanchez has to be shown the door. 

Liking the noise about Sancho, Wan-Bissaka and De Ligt. Rice could be another to look at. Ultimately any signings need to have a United temperament as it shows that recent signings like Bailly, Fred, Mkhi, Sanchez dont have that. Dalot has it. 

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Interesting opinion piece on who to keep/ditch:

https://www.football365.com/news/who-does-solskjaer-keep-and-who-should-man-utd-ditch

A lot in there agreeing with you tekkers, particularly around the CBs and the attacking end. 

They talk about a front three next season of Sancho, Martial and Rashford. Now that would be quite frightening if they all hit their straps. 

I wish you weren't paying Sanchez so much otherwise we could have him back :( 

Although maybe Wenger was the key to unlocking him. His form at Arsenal certainly eclipsed his form everywhere else he played. Obviously he was pretty good at Udinese and Barca but not as good as he was at Arsenal. 

PSG or China would be my guesses for his next destination. 

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So Manu find themselves in an interesting position this weekend. If they beat city, they get to enjoy beating city. But pretty much hand Liverpool the title. If they don't beat them though, they pretty much hand City the title.

Which option do the supporters want? 

shark choices and shark options really. 

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I don't think those motivations would even be considered by ManU supporters given the number one goal right now is making the top 4?

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kwlap wrote:

So Manu find themselves in an interesting position this weekend. If they beat city, they get to enjoy beating city. But pretty much hand Liverpool the title. If they don't beat them though, they pretty much hand City the title.

Which option do the supporters want? 

shark choices and shark options really. 

Both terrible choices. But I don't agree that it hands Liverpool the title. I really doubt that either City or Liverpool will win all of their last 6 games.

But yeah, Champions League is most important regardless of anything else.

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Aaaaaand United are back in sixth. Two games against the best of the rest and you would have to say that the results and performances were a fair reflection of the squad right now. 

Young's experience and 'leadership' do not make up for his lack of ability to pass, to cross, to defend and to make smart decisions. Back up at best. 

CBs behind Lindelof are just too inconsistent. Jones and Smalling were solid against Watford but then make poor choices against Wolves. Lindelof needs a consistent partner next to him and while I am still willing to give Bailly another chance, it would seem Rojo is a certainty to be out the door. 

Mctominay might have moved ahead of Matic and Fred in the pecking order. Fred was at fault for the first goal and didnt stand out but McTominay had so much energy. Matic hasnt been decent under Solskjaer. Really want Herrera to stay but if we can get an improvement then spend the money. Mata should also be used to free up squad space but those two help keep Dave happy. 

Lingard and Lukaku have been average of late. Rom might not want to be a back up but we need someone to join Rashford and Martial up top and it seems like Rom needs to be the main guy or he doesnt get going. Sanchez has to be shown the door. 

Liking the noise about Sancho, Wan-Bissaka and De Ligt. Rice could be another to look at. Ultimately any signings need to have a United temperament as it shows that recent signings like Bailly, Fred, Mkhi, Sanchez dont have that. Dalot has it. 

I get the impression that Smalling is a beast at training, but loses the plot during games. Else why would he keep creeping back into the first XI?

Bailly is all or nothing. You won't find consistency from him. And his mental game and the wya he reacts is exactly what United don't need. I'd be more than happy to see the back of Bailly.

I'd love De Ligt but I don't think it will happen, he will follow his Ajax mates to Barcelona.

Also loving the rumours of Sancho. What a great signing that would be. We would pay through the roof though.

Loving Dalot and excited to see him cement his place at RB. He's good enough to be a regular starter now, and for a long time into the future. He also has the ability to cross a bloody football!

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kwlap wrote:

So Manu find themselves in an interesting position this weekend. If they beat city, they get to enjoy beating city. But pretty much hand Liverpool the title. If they don't beat them though, they pretty much hand City the title.

Which option do the supporters want? 

shark choices and shark options really. 

You must know something that no one else does. They don't play City until the 25th April. 

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Leggy wrote:

kwlap wrote:

So Manu find themselves in an interesting position this weekend. If they beat city, they get to enjoy beating city. But pretty much hand Liverpool the title. If they don't beat them though, they pretty much hand City the title.

Which option do the supporters want? 

shark choices and shark options really. 

You must know something that no one else does. They don't play City until the 25th April. 

Or I got my dates wrong. my bad

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A shame. Rashford hit the post 2 minutes in and it could have been a different night. We looked the better team until Messi's second sucked the air out of us. (And I'll throw it out there but I thought Fred was fouled in the build-up to that goal...)

But Barcelona are a class team. Coutinho scoring was a bit of a laugh. I've caught 6 or 7 Barcelona games this year and he's been absolute trash. Not a single United player would start for them right now and I think that says it all - the quality simply isn't there for this level. (But we all know that).

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What's up with De Gea? Terrible error. 

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kwlap wrote:

So Manu find themselves in an interesting position this weekend. If they beat city, they get to enjoy beating city. But pretty much hand Liverpool the title. If they don't beat them though, they pretty much hand City the title.

Which option do the supporters want? 

shark choices and shark options really. 

Do United fans want City to have 6, or Liverpool to have 19? I'd have thought that's a pretty easy choice. 


(as long as we're discounting 'neither' as an answer)

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A shame. Rashford hit the post 2 minutes in and it could have been a different night. We looked the better team until Messi's second sucked the air out of us. (And I'll throw it out there but I thought Fred was fouled in the build-up to that goal...)

But Barcelona are a class team. Coutinho scoring was a bit of a laugh. I've caught 6 or 7 Barcelona games this year and he's been absolute trash. Not a single United player would start for them right now and I think that says it all - the quality simply isn't there for this level. (But we all know that).

I have been saying this for a very long time. We don't have the quality players to challenge for the league and it would take 6 top players to turn it around. Woodwood should be the one to blame for a lot of Utds problems. Since he came in it would appear that his main object is to increase sponsor/revenue and while this has worked he has omitted to raise the standard of players. JM made this point last year when he wanted better defenders.We are in 6th place which is about where we deserve to be. Very few of our players would get into the 5 teams above us. We overpay them and none of them appear to be hungry. Not just blaming Ole but he has lost 5 out of 7 games. All the people that said we had the players to challenge for the league( and a few trolls) must be wondering where they went wrong. It will take 3/4 years with the right players to get back into the top echelon but by then Ole will be gone.

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Leggy wrote:

We overpay them and none of them appear to be hungry. 

Agree with this point. 

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Leggy wrote:

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A shame. Rashford hit the post 2 minutes in and it could have been a different night. We looked the better team until Messi's second sucked the air out of us. (And I'll throw it out there but I thought Fred was fouled in the build-up to that goal...)

But Barcelona are a class team. Coutinho scoring was a bit of a laugh. I've caught 6 or 7 Barcelona games this year and he's been absolute trash. Not a single United player would start for them right now and I think that says it all - the quality simply isn't there for this level. (But we all know that).

All the people that said we had the players to challenge for the league( and a few trolls) must be wondering where they went wrong.

That's the thing... I don't think people really ever said that. The point was that we shouldn't be getting out played by Derby. (And we were under JM).

We lost continuity in particular when we went with JM, who did not fit the mould of the club. But a LOT of fans and media were calling for a proven winner, at any cost.

But we need to be patient and spend clever money. Players who have the right mentality as well as the ability.

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I said it! 

Having said that, I may concede on the defence. Ashley Young looks well and truly gone, and the CBs aren't looking crash hot. 

But for me, the calibre of the midfielders, the forwards, plus De Gea, Shaw and Dalot, are definitely good enough to be in a league-winning side. 

There's a further complication though, and that would be the sheer quality of Man City the last 2 seasons, and Liverpool this season. The points they are racking up is absolutely insane - they both already have just about league-winning totals with 4/5 games to go!

Perhaps you aren't capable of that, but then nobody is right now, except them, it's pretty crazy. However you can't say ManU's squad is less than Leicester's when they won league in 2016, which is the obvious benchmark for this debate. 

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paulm wrote:

I said it! 

Having said that, I may concede on the defence. Ashley Young looks well and truly gone, and the CBs aren't looking crash hot. 

But for me, the calibre of the midfielders, the forwards, plus De Gea, Shaw and Dalot, are definitely good enough to be in a league-winning side. 

There's a further complication though, and that would be the sheer quality of Man City the last 2 seasons, and Liverpool this season. The points they are racking up is absolutely insane - they both already have just about league-winning totals with 4/5 games to go!

Perhaps you aren't capable of that, but then nobody is right now, except them, it's pretty crazy. However you can't say ManU's squad is less than Leicester's when they won league in 2016, which is the obvious benchmark for this debate. 

You obviously did not watch the West Ham game. We deserved to lose.

The calibre of the midfield? Pobga has not had a good games for many weeks. Overrated. Should sell him to Madrid for 100 million and get someone that actually wants to play for us. The same can be said for one or two others.

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If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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If your argument is based around Pogba not being good enough then you're not coming at it from a very good angle.

He hasn't been consistent at ManU but I think most would agree he has the quality to start in a title-winning side. He's been a starter during 4 Serie A wins, and a World Cup. There's a reason Madrid, Barcelona and others are keen on signing him. 

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