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bigger changes medium-term for injuries.

We've been so lucky with injuries too. One injury from this game to any of the normal starting XI and it would've been Ole's fault as well.

Ole was not to blame for Bailly's injury, that is solely down to Maguire's incompetence. But perhaps you could blame Ole for buying this 90 million quid overrated defender.

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I have very little time for what most of them UK pundits say. It isn't genuine opinions, its what's going to get them clicks/plays online - hence why sharkting on United is so popular, fans lap it up.

There is absolutely a massive need to rest players - Martial and Pogba need to be at their best for us to secure 3 points over West Ham and Leicester. I think Bruno and Rashford should also have sat, but we weren't actively trying to lose to Chelsea.

Agree Romero should've played, agree we shouldn't have switched to back 3. But we can't play the same XI 3 times a week and expect them to perform at the standards required, top flight football simply doesn't work like that anymore. Ole isn't perfect but you're attacking him for things that simply aren't fair to attack him on. He has to make changes short term, otherwise he has to make bigger changes medium-term for injuries. Our squad depth is a big problem, but one that OGS has made reasonable progress on so far, considerign what he started with.

Its unfortunate, but the FA Cup is a lesser priority than winning CL qualification at the minute, so the rotation has to come in the FA Cup. It isn't ideal by any means, but neither is our squad and the lack of recovery time between games.

The pundits I am talking about are people like Scholes,Shearer etc.who certainly know more football than anyone on this forum.

When you are the manager of Man Utd earning $15000000 a year and are not performing, then you have to expect criticism.I attacked him because he did not pick a team that would beat Chelsea.Easy to say now, but when I saw the line up I said to my wife ' we will lose this game'

Yes he has made some progress --- we have been playing some decent football. The fact remains that unless we win the last two games we will have less points than we did last year. I don't think that is progress.

Agree about the abysmal depth of our squad and that is what will halt any progress than Ole can create. Our best starting X1 might be OK but in general the rest are average at best and some are very poor. 

If Pep and Ole swapped clubs at season end without buying any players Ole would finish above Pep simply because the City squad is far superior to ours.

The sad thing is that our owners will not pay out the big money to get world class players as the City owner will, and that is why they have won 9 trophies in the last 5 years.

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Hmmm not sure about that re: spending. It's quite public that Man City really wanted both Maguire and Sanchez for example, but could not match the money ManU put forward. 

Sounds crazy but seems like that was actually the case. Not sure if it were due to FFP (lol) or Man City simply refusing to go any higher, but ManU did win those two financial battles.

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Hmmm not sure about that re: spending. It's quite public that Man City really wanted both Maguire and Sanchez for example, but could not match the money ManU put forward. 

Sounds crazy but seems like that was actually the case. Not sure if it were due to FFP (lol) or Man City simply refusing to go any higher, but ManU did win those two financial battles.

Leggy doesn't help himself when he posts 2 comments within minutes where in one he complains about us overspending on Maguire and in the same breath whinges about our owners not wanting to open their chequebooks.

We've been throwing money around, just at the wrong players (Di Maria, Falcao, Sanchez, Lukaku, Mkhitaryan etc etc etc). OGS seems to be fixing this, Maguire, AWB and Fernandes have all improved us significantly. James is a work in progress, which we knew when we signed him from the Championship. Hard to have too many qualms about his transfer work so far unless you're going out of your way to be unhappy.

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It does seem like the transfer decisions have been a lot better since Ole came in. 

Admittedly I enjoy endulging in a bit of banter about Maguire as he can sometimes look a bit ponderous, short video clips are not kind to him at times, but in reality I think he is actually a quality player.

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paulm wrote:

It does seem like the transfer decisions have been a lot better since Ole came in. 

Admittedly I enjoy endulging in a bit of banter about Maguire as he can sometimes look a bit ponderous, short video clips are not kind to him at times, but in reality I think he is actually a quality player.

Just gets nutmegged in the 6 yard box :)

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Hmmm not sure about that re: spending. It's quite public that Man City really wanted both Maguire and Sanchez for example, but could not match the money ManU put forward. 

Sounds crazy but seems like that was actually the case. Not sure if it were due to FFP (lol) or Man City simply refusing to go any higher, but ManU did win those two financial battles.

Leggy doesn't help himself when he posts 2 comments within minutes where in one he complains about us overspending on Maguire and in the same breath whinges about our owners not wanting to open their chequebooks.

We've been throwing money around, just at the wrong players (Di Maria, Falcao, Sanchez, Lukaku, Mkhitaryan etc etc etc). OGS seems to be fixing this, Maguire, AWB and Fernandes have all improved us significantly. James is a work in progress, which we knew when we signed him from the Championship. Hard to have too many qualms about his transfer work so far unless you're going out of your way to be unhappy.

You obviously did not get my point re Maguire. I never mentioned overspending on the 90 million we spent, I just said he was overrated.

English players are very expensive but that does not necessarily mean they are the best. That fee makes Macguire  the most expensive defender in the world-- but he is hardly the best. I think he is OK as he can go forward and pass well, but his positioning is not that good and he tends to ball watch. Falcao was on loan and unfortunately was recovering  from injury. He was actually a very good striker. Sanchez was a swap deal for Mkhitaryan and although he was poor for us I believe he was a top player and is disappointing it did not work out.

The three players Maguire,AWB and Fernandes have improved us but I am not sure about James and only time will tell..

As for the point about the Utd owners not wanting to open their checkbooks.The 6 Glaziers on the board get paid 2.5 million quid each per year and they don't really care if we are first or fifth.The difference between our owners and Citys is that he does not pull millions of dollars out of the club each year.He has put in 1.3 billion into City with amazing facilities. That is why Pep went there instead of coming to us as we just can't compete with that.

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Leggy wrote:

That fee makes Macguire  the most expensive defender in the world-- but he is hardly the best. I think he is OK as he can go forward and pass well, but his positioning is not that good and he tends to ball watch. Falcao was on loan and unfortunately was recovering  from injury. He was actually a very good striker. Sanchez was a swap deal for Mkhitaryan and although he was poor for us I believe he was a top player and is disappointing it did not work out.

The three players Maguire,AWB and Fernandes have improved us but I am not sure about James and only time will tell..

Pretty good assessments of those bits of business in my opinion.

Sanchez was an unfortunate one for ManU because he seemed a very safe bet. He'd performed consistently well throughout his career at multiple clubs, and his career-best football had been in the premier league.

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team culture when they are tired and up against it is important. The rested team was strong. That's not what makes top teams.

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A draw and the performance were not up to standard but we are up into third so a win will keep us there. Exciting final day with United v Leicester and Chelsea v Wolves. 

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Big final day indeed. Players are exhausted, Pogba’s mistake almost unforgivable. 

Draw or a win for champions league. You’d take it 9 months ago. 

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This team has improved this season. For the first time since Fergie left I feel we are set up to be able to try and challenge. I know Mourinho got us to 2nd but the football was awful and it didnt feel like we were getting better as a team and a group.

No matter what happens this weekend I feel optimistic for next season, again thats the first time I have felt this since Fergie left.

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AlfStamp wrote:

This team has improved this season. For the first time since Fergie left I feel we are set up to be able to try and challenge. I know Mourinho got us to 2nd but the football was awful and it didnt feel like we were getting better as a team and a group.

No matter what happens this weekend I feel optimistic for next season, again thats the first time I have felt this since Fergie left.

I sort of agree with you but the major problem is outside the best starting X1, most of the rest are not even close and that is where the weakness is. Even if we win, we will still have the same points as last season and are miles away from the title.

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Leggy wrote:

AlfStamp wrote:

This team has improved this season. For the first time since Fergie left I feel we are set up to be able to try and challenge. I know Mourinho got us to 2nd but the football was awful and it didnt feel like we were getting better as a team and a group.

No matter what happens this weekend I feel optimistic for next season, again thats the first time I have felt this since Fergie left.

I sort of agree with you but the major problem is outside the best starting X1, most of the rest are not even close and that is where the weakness is. Even if we win, we will still have the same points as last season and are miles away from the title.

If we win this weekend its still a massive 30 points behind Liverpool. So my optimism is tempered by that ugly fact. 

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Third place, eh...

oLe DoEsN't KnOw WhAt HeS dOiNg

14 games unbeaten to finish the season.

Let's sign Sancho, replace Matic, get Tuanzebe fit, let's win the fudgeing thing next year...

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Good finish to the season for you fellas. Leicester's collapse was quite remarkable in the end, but you finished ahead of Chelsea so they were the chief beneficiary of the Leicester implosion anyway.

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Feel a little sorry for Leicester. They have had injuries and haven't had a Pulisic or Fernandes come in. 

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Here's a fun one for everyone...

https://twitter.com/UnitedStandMUFC/status/1288838294223167492

This when we start harping about him being the best ever?

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Literally VVD

Valley FC til I die

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Just watched this. Main takeaways were- he kept it simple. While he had the technique to volley or finish any way at all, two main types of goal stand out- hitting a through ball low and hard along the carpet into the corners (which seems to be his bread and butter) and following in on shots by Scholes, Giggs or Cantona.  You can't miss going underneath the goal.


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