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Best thing about tonight was seeing all of Old Trafford standing and singing "Stand up if you hate the Glazers".

They've ruined our fudgeing football club. 

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We should have been 3-0 at half time. 

Players are buggered. Manager has no options.

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20 Legend wrote:

We should have been 3-0 at half time. 

Players are buggered. Manager has no options.

Should be - Manager has no ideas.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Leggy wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

We should have been 3-0 at half time. 

Players are buggered. Manager has no options.

Should be - Manager has no ideas.

Has nothing to play with, not sure what ideas he's supposed to have. Club has failed him this transfer window. Really struggle to blame any of this on Ole when his players aren't good enough and Woodward won't buy him new ones.

Are we the 5th best squad in the league? I have to look at the table and say we're overperforming compared to the quality of players we're able to put on the park with many of our best players injured long term.

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Nelfoos wrote:

Leggy wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

We should have been 3-0 at half time. 

Players are buggered. Manager has no options.

Should be - Manager has no ideas.

Has nothing to play with, not sure what ideas he's supposed to have. Club has failed him this transfer window. Really struggle to blame any of this on Ole when his players aren't good enough and Woodward won't buy him new ones.

Are we the 5th best squad in the league? I have to look at the table and say we're overperforming compared to the quality of players we're able to put on the park with many of our best players injured long term.

I certainly agree that we are not the 5th best squad in the league.

No manager can fix this right now, but fact is Ole was never qualified to coach Utd.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Leggy wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

We should have been 3-0 at half time. 

Players are buggered. Manager has no options.

Should be - Manager has no ideas.

Totally disagree. 

The manager has ideas and aspirations of what he would like to do, but with the skeleton squad he has available and the quality of those players he must surely always be reacting rather than trying to be proactive.

The players' ability looks so degraded because they have had to play most games, many while injured to some extent and in need of a rest. 

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Leggy wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Leggy wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

We should have been 3-0 at half time. 

Players are buggered. Manager has no options.

Should be - Manager has no ideas.

Has nothing to play with, not sure what ideas he's supposed to have. Club has failed him this transfer window. Really struggle to blame any of this on Ole when his players aren't good enough and Woodward won't buy him new ones.

Are we the 5th best squad in the league? I have to look at the table and say we're overperforming compared to the quality of players we're able to put on the park with many of our best players injured long term.

I certainly agree that we are not the 5th best squad in the league.

No manager can fix this right now, but fact is Ole was never qualified to coach Utd.

So you think that United's squad is not in the top 5 in the league, yet you think Ole should be doing better? 

And I think you miss the point that what United needed, in terms of a manager, was someone with more United experience than coaching experience. 

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This piece covers a few bases.

https://www.football365.com/news/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-solution-man-utd-opinion

Perhaps the issue isn't solely recruitment, injuries, the Manager, the quality of players, but actually a little bit of all of them?

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paulm wrote:

This piece covers a few bases.

https://www.football365.com/news/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-solution-man-utd-opinion

Perhaps the issue isn't solely recruitment, injuries, the Manager, the quality of players, but actually a little bit of all of them?

Wait, you mean a problem is nuanced and not easily solved? I simply don't believe it.

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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paulm wrote:

This piece covers a few bases.

https://www.football365.com/news/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-solution-man-utd-opinion

Perhaps the issue isn't solely recruitment, injuries, the Manager, the quality of players, but actually a little bit of all of them?

Decent points you make but geez that's an awful article

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paulm wrote:

This piece covers a few bases.

https://www.football365.com/news/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-solution-man-utd-opinion

Perhaps the issue isn't solely recruitment, injuries, the Manager, the quality of players, but actually a little bit of all of them?

While i think there isn't a part of the club that is faultless, if you actually bought players to improve the squad, even more so when you sell players, then you will go a long way to improving things. 

Obviously the players need to be ones that the manager wants and for a price and wage that fits the desired business structure, but somewhere along the lines, the short term business aspect is going to have to be somewhat sacrificed for the long term benefit of the club. 

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Tekkers wrote:

paulm wrote:

This piece covers a few bases.

https://www.football365.com/news/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-solution-man-utd-opinion

Perhaps the issue isn't solely recruitment, injuries, the Manager, the quality of players, but actually a little bit of all of them?

While i think there isn't a part of the club that is faultless, if you actually bought players to improve the squad, even more so when you sell players, then you will go a long way to improving things. 

Obviously the players need to be ones that the manager wants and for a price and wage that fits the desired business structure, but somewhere along the lines, the short term business aspect is going to have to be somewhat sacrificed for the long term benefit of the club. 

There in lies the major problem. The Glaziers are not going to let the business side be sacrificed. They know a good thing when they see it. One billion quid they have taken out of this club and Woodward is their hero.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Leggy wrote:

Tekkers wrote:

paulm wrote:

This piece covers a few bases.

https://www.football365.com/news/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-solution-man-utd-opinion

Perhaps the issue isn't solely recruitment, injuries, the Manager, the quality of players, but actually a little bit of all of them?

While i think there isn't a part of the club that is faultless, if you actually bought players to improve the squad, even more so when you sell players, then you will go a long way to improving things. 

Obviously the players need to be ones that the manager wants and for a price and wage that fits the desired business structure, but somewhere along the lines, the short term business aspect is going to have to be somewhat sacrificed for the long term benefit of the club. 

There in lies the major problem. The Glaziers are not going to let the business side be sacrificed. They know a good thing when they see it. One billion quid they have taken out of this club and Woodward is their hero.

If performances don't turn around at some point the business side will be sacrificed though, and then it may well be too little, too late to become the club we once were with less resources available to rebuild.

Just wish the Glazers and Woodward could see that but they aren't looking at anything except how fat their wallet is.

Valley FC til I die

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paulm wrote:

This piece covers a few bases.

https://www.football365.com/news/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-solution-man-utd-opinion

Perhaps the issue isn't solely recruitment, injuries, the Manager, the quality of players, but actually a little bit of all of them?

Without reading the article, but yes absolutely. Ultimately all of those come back to the CEO and beyond him the board and owners. Manchester United is (at least from the outside) a completely dysfunctional organisation.

Focussing a little tighter on the football. We have had such a balls up around players because after Moyes we completely abandoned United values to appease a certain segment of fans. LVG started by implement his rigorous, boring, disciplined system. Mourinho then not only threw out the remnants of United but he threw out the remnants of LVG as well.

We now have a manager who is setting us back on the right track. Hopefully he can stick around long enough to make sure that the next manager has a base of players that fit with the club's philosophy and more importantly the manager does as well.

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Nelfoos wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Tekkers wrote:

paulm wrote:

This piece covers a few bases.

https://www.football365.com/news/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-solution-man-utd-opinion

Perhaps the issue isn't solely recruitment, injuries, the Manager, the quality of players, but actually a little bit of all of them?

While i think there isn't a part of the club that is faultless, if you actually bought players to improve the squad, even more so when you sell players, then you will go a long way to improving things. 

Obviously the players need to be ones that the manager wants and for a price and wage that fits the desired business structure, but somewhere along the lines, the short term business aspect is going to have to be somewhat sacrificed for the long term benefit of the club. 

There in lies the major problem. The Glaziers are not going to let the business side be sacrificed. They know a good thing when they see it. One billion quid they have taken out of this club and Woodward is their hero.

If performances don't turn around at some point the business side will be sacrificed though, and then it may well be too little, too late to become the club we once were with less resources available to rebuild.

Just wish the Glazers and Woodward could see that but they aren't looking at anything except how fat their wallet is.

May, 2018

"During United's quarterly conference call with shareholders, Woodward was asked if the improved performance in the Premier League this season had played a part in another bumper set of financial numbers for the world's richest club.

Woodward replied: "Playing performance doesn't really have a meaningful impact on what we can do on the commercial side of the business.""

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Tekkers wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Tekkers wrote:

paulm wrote:

This piece covers a few bases.

https://www.football365.com/news/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-solution-man-utd-opinion

Perhaps the issue isn't solely recruitment, injuries, the Manager, the quality of players, but actually a little bit of all of them?

While i think there isn't a part of the club that is faultless, if you actually bought players to improve the squad, even more so when you sell players, then you will go a long way to improving things. 

Obviously the players need to be ones that the manager wants and for a price and wage that fits the desired business structure, but somewhere along the lines, the short term business aspect is going to have to be somewhat sacrificed for the long term benefit of the club. 

There in lies the major problem. The Glaziers are not going to let the business side be sacrificed. They know a good thing when they see it. One billion quid they have taken out of this club and Woodward is their hero.

If performances don't turn around at some point the business side will be sacrificed though, and then it may well be too little, too late to become the club we once were with less resources available to rebuild.

Just wish the Glazers and Woodward could see that but they aren't looking at anything except how fat their wallet is.

May, 2018

"During United's quarterly conference call with shareholders, Woodward was asked if the improved performance in the Premier League this season had played a part in another bumper set of financial numbers for the world's richest club.

Woodward replied: "Playing performance doesn't really have a meaningful impact on what we can do on the commercial side of the business.""

I remember that. Pretty naive. If people stop paying to watch, buying Utd products then we will see what happens.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Even if you can handle things without european revenue, not being in those competitions will eventually start to hurt you seriously.

That's the position Arsenal are currently in too.

If we don't get back to the Champions League sometime soon then FFP and our wage bill will become a massive issue.

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If the masses (esp meaning those who are not firmly aligned to a particular club) buy the merch of other clubs because they are consistently seen to be more successful, then it must have an impact on the commercial side.  I imagine the new football fan coming in will not be choosing United at the moment.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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If the masses (esp meaning those who are not firmly aligned to a particular club) buy the merch of other clubs because they are consistently seen to be more successful, then it must have an impact on the commercial side.  I imagine the new football fan coming in will not be choosing United at the moment.

I get what you're saying but I have always found it odd that sooooo many of my friends and workmates support Liverpool, by far more than any other club and yet they haven't won the league in 30 years so you would have to be around 40 years old to actually know what it is like to be Champions and most of these fans I see wearing Liverpool gear aren't. It doesn't appear to have affected people picking them as their team. I suppose in that 30 years, they have consistently still won knock out competitions.

United are still seen as one of the biggest clubs in the world and I remember during their drought period up until 1993 that they were still a massively supported club so maybe the current form won't have that much of an effect.

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If the masses (esp meaning those who are not firmly aligned to a particular club) buy the merch of other clubs because they are consistently seen to be more successful, then it must have an impact on the commercial side.  I imagine the new football fan coming in will not be choosing United at the moment.

I get what you're saying but I have always found it odd that sooooo many of my friends and workmates support Liverpool, by far more than any other club and yet they haven't won the league in 30 years so you would have to be around 40 years old to actually know what it is like to be Champions and most of these fans I see wearing Liverpool gear aren't. It doesn't appear to have affected people picking them as their team. I suppose in that 30 years, they have consistently still won knock out competitions.

United are still seen as one of the biggest clubs in the world and I remember during their drought period up until 1993 that they were still a massively supported club so maybe the current form won't have that much of an effect.

Not as much exposure in those days compared to todays social media-- Facebook Twitter etc.

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