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We need to expand the NZFC.. two teams in the South Island is piss poor, so many Nelson Suburbs players who have higher aspirations have to leave because there's no NZFC team. There has been college players who were ready for the step up but couldn't play for Canterbury because they can't make trainings (they live five hours away!!)

Nelson is known for getting behind sport, take the Nelson Giants for example. But in my opinion after growing up here, it's definately a football city. Support would not be a problem.

With a multi million dollar upgrade to Saxton Field in the past year they have good facilities.

The talent Nelson has produced is right up there. Jeremy Brockie, Tom Lancester, and NZ age grade players Coey Turipa, Jamie Doris, Matt Shaw, Adam Smith, Alex Ridsdale.

In Nayland College they have a high school who reguarly finishes in the top five at Nationals and will continue to produce more star players.

Nelson's current squad is top of the Mainland premier league which features many Canterbury NZFC players.

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Is there anyone there willing to run it and make a bid ?  From memory they didn't when the league was formed and now there is a chance of expansion no one I know has made a public statement of intent to back it or organis a bid.

It's like people saying 'A-League for Christchurch'.  It needs someone local to make it happen, not just an expectation that New Zealand Football or the FFA (in CHrischurch's case) should be responsible for it.
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Well someone at the club should look into it...
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I also grew up in Nelsen (now live in Christchurch) and it sure has a great football pedigree for such a small town. Another fairly recent Nelsen product: Michael White.
All Whites from/ played for Nelsen when young over the years:
Brockie, Ceri Evans, Paul Brydon, Ricki Van Steeden, Mark Armstrong
1982 All Whites: Richard Wilson, Ricki Herbert, Keith Mackay, Kenny Cresswell, Peter Simonsen 
Coaches: Kevin Fallon (won Central League, Chatham Cup), Doug Moore (NZFA and All Whites coach 1970s, more recently Singapore national team coach 1990s), Colin Tua, Jacques Vercauteren (Belgian who's coached NZ national age-group sides for years & recently NZ Secondary Schools sides on overseas tours) etc.
 
Local Nelsen Mail newspaper has produced some of the country's leading football journalists such as Tony Smith (Fairfax team in South Africa, Christchurch Press).
 
Problem for Nelsen Suburbs was they lost a lot of money competing in National League last time around and the administrators got burned out.
If it looks feasible financially they should look into it...
Another factor is the Nelsen association commited to the Canterbury United concept since Nelsen is also part of the Mainland Football federation of which Canty Utd is the franchise.
 
NB the spelling of "Nelsen' with an "e" is not my fault but due to some gremlin introduced to all postings on this site recently which turns everything to 'Nelsen.'
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Big Pete 65 wrote:
I�also grew up in Nelsen (now live in Christchurch) and it sure has a great football pedigree for such a small town. Another fairly�recent Nelsen product: Michael White.
All Whites from/ played for Nelsen when young over the years:

Brockie, Ceri Evans, Paul Brydon, Ricki Van Steeden, Mark Armstrong

1982 All Whites: Richard Wilson, Ricki Herbert, Keith Mackay, Kenny Cresswell, Peter Simonsen�

Coaches: Kevin Fallon (won Central League, Chatham Cup), Doug Moore (NZFA and All Whites coach 1970s, more recently Singapore national team coach 1990s), Colin Tua, Jacques Vercauteren (Belgian who's coached NZ national age-group sides for years�& recently NZ Secondary Schools sides on overseas tours) etc.

�

Local Nelsen Mail newspaper has�produced some of the country's leading football journalists such as Tony Smith (Fairfax team in South Africa, Christchurch Press).

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Problem for Nelsen Suburbs was they lost a lot of money competing in National League last time around and the administrators got burned out.

If it looks feasible financially they should look into it...

Another factor is the Nelsen association commited to the Canterbury United concept since Nelsen is also part of the Mainland Football�federation of which Canty Utd is the franchise.

�

NB the spelling of "Nelsen' with an "e" is not my fault but due to some gremlin introduced to all postings on this site�recently which turns everything to 'Nelsen.'


Did Herbet play for Suburbs?
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Big Pete 65 wrote:
I also grew up in Nelsen (now live in Christchurch) and it sure has a great football pedigree for such a small town. Another fairly recent Nelsen product: Michael White.
 
You mean Mike White the middle of the road Central League player for Miramar.
 
wow.  hang your hat on that one for sure.
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Luis Garcia wrote:

With a multi million dollar upgrade to Saxton Field in the past year they have good facilities.

The talent Nelsen has produced is right up there. Jeremy Brockie, Tom Lancester, and NZ age grade players Coey Turipa, Jamie Doris, Matt Shaw, Adam Smith, Alex Ridsdale.
 
Saxton Field is a paddock - the national schools tournament there last ytear showed that.
 
None of those players except Brockie would make many nzfc teams.
 
This is all a big laugh thread surely?
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Luis Garcia wrote:

With a multi million dollar upgrade to Saxton Field in the past year they have good facilities.

The talent Nelsen has produced is right up there. Jeremy Brockie, Tom Lancester, and NZ age grade players Coey Turipa, Jamie Doris, Matt Shaw, Adam Smith, Alex Ridsdale.
 
Saxton Field is a paddock - the national schools tournament there last ytear showed that.
 
None of those players except Brockie would make many nzfc teams.
 
This is all a big laugh thread surely?


None of the secondary school games were played on the main field. NZFC crowds aren't huge. I'm sure it'd handle the numbers.

As for the players, Tom Lancester starts for Canterbury and made the NZFC selection XI that trialled against the All whites. The rest of the players I mentioned are all under 18. The point I was making is that Nelsen is developing young players. All play for New Zealand for their age. Turipa is the starting New Zealand U20 keeper and trains with the Phoenix, if there was a Phoenix Youth team he'd be in it. Adam Smith was one of the key members of the championship winning U19 Canterbury side. Had two assists in the final. Gagame Feni is the top young striker in the country, won golden boot at secondary school nationals last year, he would have made the Canterbury squad had he been old enough. Jamie Doris though plays for Hibs academy in Scotland.

If the NZFC was to expand, Nelsen would be an ideal new team due to the fact top players are always coming through the ranks.
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mate u have some awesome Nelsen-tinted spectacles there.

 
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Isn't there that kid Dorris at Hibernian? aklso the Solomon Islanders like abba etc all played at high school there [Nelsen not Edinburgh].
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Isn't there that kid Dorris at Hibernian? aklso the Solomon Islanders like abba etc all played at high school there [Nelsen not Edinburgh].


Yeah Jamie Doris is at Hibs. Gagame Feni and Jerry Donga are two Solomon Islanders attending Nayland College. Gagame though is only 17 so isn't allowed to play Mainland Football, but he looks like a real talent. Won the Golden Boot at nationals last year.
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[QUOTE=Luis Garcia]
Gagame though is only 17 so isn't allowed to play Mainland Football, but he looks like a real talent. Won the Golden Boot at nationals last year.

Who do you get the MPL rules from?
He can play in the Mainland Premier League but any club wanting to play a Junior aged grade player needs to apply to Mainland Football before playing the player.

Oh, and as far as him playing for Canterbury United in last years NZFC did Keith tell you he would have been in the squad?
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There was an article in the Press or somewhere that said as he Feni was playing overseas without his parents here (I think that was the ruling) he had to have some sort of paperwork and Mainland stripped all points off the team he was playing for.

Here's the link:   http://www.stuff.co.nz/Nelsen-mail/sport/3719110/Suburbs-refuse-to-back-downVimFuego2010-07-19 20:37:32
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It's a FIFA rule that any player under 18 without his parents can't play in an overseas league. It's been mentioned in the Nelsen Mail on many occasions. The Nelsen Suburbs first division team were deducted all points earned in games that Gagame took the field. Even though no Nelsen club had complained and were all happy he took part. But it was the ruling from the federation itself. The points were later given back. There is two 15 year olds in the Suburbs Mainland squad. One who reguarly gets gametime. So it's farcical that Gagame shouldn't be allowed to play.

Originally Gagame was asked to train with the Canterbury squad pre-season for a weekend. Brendon Crichton who coachs Gagame at Nayland College was heading down with our athletics team for nationals. So it fit in perfect for Gagame to travel with us. When we came to get him he was then asked if he would like to stay down there instead of returning back for the rest of the school holidays. But as he only thought it was for the weekend he had hardly any gear with him and came back to Nelsen. Gagame returned on many occasions to train with the NZFC team specifically. If he's being asked to come from Nelsen to Christchurch just to train with the squad it's fair to say had he been eligible that he would play. Which Brendon Crichton had been told by the Canterbury coaches.

With Nelsen being spelt with an e on here the links won't work so here is some quotes from articles in the Nelsen mail and Marlborough express


"The Marlborough Mariners have moved up the Nelsen division one football standings before kicking a ball this weekend with competition leaders Nelsen Suburbs First XI docked 13 points for fielding an ineligible player.

Suburbs has been stripped of points from five matches in which Gagame Feni, a 17-year-old of Solomon Island heritage who has spent nearly three years at Nayland College, made an appearance.

Fifa and New Zealand Football rules prevent those aged under-18 and who are living in a country where their parents do not reside, from playing top-level football."

Feni did not play when the Mariners lost 2-3 to Suburbs and remain on 14 competition points but now sit third on the table as Suburbs have tumbled from first to seventh.

Mariners coach Vince Binding said he only heard about the situation last night at training and was unsure if Feni had played against them, but was happy to take any points that were on offer.

"It would be nice to get some points, but at the end of the day he's a 17 year old and just one player. As far as I see it they beat us on the day and were the better team, but if we get given points I'm not complaining."

Nelsen Suburbs are vowing to continue playing Feni, a devastating striker who has already caught the eye of those in the Canterbury and national set-ups and has been playing without issue since arriving in Nelsen.

However, his possible ineligibility came to the attention of Mainland Football, the federation that has overall control of the sport in Nelsen.

It delegated the handing out of any punishment to Nelsen Bays Football, who were forced to strip the team of points accumulated in games in which Feni has played, award those points to the opposition, and forfeit goals scored.

Nelsen Suburbs board member Graeme Duncan said he was upset by the decision, not so much for the loss of points, but for the fact it denies Feni the right to play a sport he loves.

He said it was a decision that would have ramifications for other players living in Nelsen and around the country who were from overseas.

"There must be thousands of young kids in a similar situation who by virtue of being 16 or 17 and not 18, but who are here as of right and under our wing to be educated and fostered and developed ... to give them every possible opportunity that we can, and send them home as promising young individuals," said Duncan.

"To have to say to them they can have all of that apart from soccer, it just doesn't make sense.

Duncan said it was his understanding no club in Nelsen had complained about Feni's eligibility and it was not a decision made by the local body, but he felt he had no option but to resign from the Nelsen Bays Football district executive."

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Obviously Nelsen is "chicken and the egg" but the city deserves to have a team again, just like Tauranga/The Mount.
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IIRC a young Commins Menapi was top scorer in the National league at the turn of the century for a decent Suburbs side. The island influence always boosted the ranks in Nelsen. ironically they were replaced by Tauranga the following year due to lack of finance.

But same old story. There's a good enough pool of talent, but if it's to happen, there needs to be money. And since a hefty amount of the Mainland Football money goes into Canterbury Utd, I don't see it happening soon.
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vuvuzela wrote:
Big Pete 65 wrote:
I also grew up in Nelsen (now live in Christchurch) and it sure has a great football pedigree for such a small town. Another fairly recent Nelsen product: Michael White.
 
You mean Mike White the middle of the road Central League player for Miramar.
 
wow.  hang your hat on that one for sure.
 
I wondered where he was these days...
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That must be the same Michael White that thought he was too good to play for only petrol money at Canterbury United in last seasons NZFC.
Didn't need him anyway as it turned out.
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disco_mart wrote:
Obviously Nelsen is "chicken and the egg" but the city deserves to have a team again, just like Tauranga/The Mount.


North Shore deserve a team then. They have far more history than either of those football centres.
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NZFC should go back to a 12 team club based comp
say starting with 6 from northern 4 central 1 mainland 1 southern with 3 up and 3 relegatered
top of each north central and south goes up bottom 3 teams in league out no matter where they came from
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Disagree.

Too much self interest, too much parochialism to let the league succeed.
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Isnt that what we have now though just replaced a working club based system with attificial francise clubs in the summer so the other leagues now have no goal
- although does make the chatham cup more important
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The league should have a Shore based team if only to even the playing field with the other two Auckland teams. I lived in and played at Tauranga and Mt Maunganui - the area is building but I don'ytknow if it has the base to support an NZFC team yet, Nelson not sure but $ would be the major problem I think.
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sloth wrote:
Isnt that what we have now though just replaced a working club based system with attificial francise clubs in the summer so the other leagues now have no goal
- although does make the chatham cup more important


But if the Southern teams get relegated and replaced by Auckland or Wellington teams, and then the central sides the same, why not just stick with the NPL or the Central League which is what it could end up with.


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But if each league had a garuteed promotion spot then there will always be reprsentation from each area in the national league
if the bottom three teams were auckland ones then they would be replaced by the winners from the northern  central and southern leagues
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Disagree.

Too much self interest, too much parochialism to let the league succeed.


What's wrong with parochialism? And are you saying fans of NZFC clubs shouldn't be parochial towards their own team?
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No, I'm saying that if Miramar represented Wellington then the hundreds of players who play against Miramar sides each week are unlikely to go and cheer on the Miramar side.

For example.  If Glenfield Rovers were in the National League would you support them ?  Whereas if there was a North Harbour side that Birkenhead and Glenfield were 'involved' with would you watch them (discounting your current loyalty to City) ?
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Mmm fair point. I support Birko though because i play for them, might not always be the case.

Do you think a club based national league would get better crowd numbers? Latter round Chatham Cup games (usually between 'big' clubs) often get crowd numbers twice that of your average NZFC match, or any NZFC match really that doesn't involve Akl, Waitak or Canty.

The NZFC isn't always this brilliant, fantastic idea for a league that people sometimes make it out to be. What i mean by that is it's not the definitive solution to the problem, but it is a solution.
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I'd debate the later round Chatham Cup statement.  Miramar vs United, so two Wellington sides in a quaqrter got a similar crowd to what Team Wellington have now, nowhere near the peaks they have had.

I also don't remember there being that many there  for many games when Miramar were the only Wellington side in the National league.
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The clubs [Auck City and Waitakere] that are in the NZFC at present have well funded partners backing them. Could any other single club in NZ afford to enter the league and stay for more than a couple of years?
The structure we have with the winter based football clubs in an area funding the NZFC team works OK.
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Tony Smith had a column in the Suburbs programme and referred to Nelson being in a national league. Was more directed at the fact Nelson doesn't get behind Canterbury United, and if they can't do that well then would Richmond for example get behind a Nelson team (which they wouldn't). Mentioned that Trafalgar Park was being looked at to host a Canterbury game next year - really it should be at Saxton Field though. Trafalgar park everyone it situated so far away from the pitch, a full ground at Saxton seems like the better option.

He also wanted a revamp of the Mainland League and proposed a bigger focus on the South Island Championship at the conclusion, with more matches against Dunedin teams.

As a Nelson Suburbs fan I do find it hard to support a Canterbury team which features no current Nelson players (even though they're clearly second best in the Mainland League) but instead features a team full of rival players.
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Topic: Nelson Suburbs for NZFC!
Posted: Yesterday at 7:34pm By Luis Garcia

He also wanted a revamp of the Mainland League and proposed a bigger focus on the South Island Championship at the conclusion, with more matches against Dunedin teams.

As a Nelson Suburbs fan I do find it hard to support a Canterbury team which features no current Nelson players (even though they're clearly second best in the Mainland League) but instead features a team full of rival players.

Hi Luis Garcia
Alonso was a better buy!!
Anyway back to the subject.

That is another problem with getting a good crowd to football in NZ. So called football fans can't see that it's not their club team/loyalty that's under attack but an extension of it. Individuals and clubs should be fully behind any of the players from their club or region and getting along to games and supporting them.

Nelson region did have players in last sesons Canterbury United team, Tom Lancaster and Paul Dirou who also played for Nelson in the 2009 MPL.
Some times players on moving up a level do decide to move out of the area. It then comes back to can Nelson afford and get enough support for a bid at a team in the NZFC. Previous history says they can just as they have with Basketball.

It would be good for Canerbury United to have a home game in Nelson next season.
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Tom Lancaster and Paul Dirou who also played for Nelson in the 2009 MPL.



Lancaster was playing for Tech in the 09 MPL, and playing bloody well.
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Poolmister if I could change my username now I would.

I think a Nelson Suburbs U19 team would be the ideal option at the moment. (Although i'm not exactly sure on the format of the U19 competition if someone here can put it in a bit more detail.)
Nayland College are almost always in the top five at secondary school nationals so there's always players coming through.

Just a little idea of the calibre of the young guys in the Suburbs squad.

Gagame Feni and Jerry Donga would be the two starting strikers, both Solomon Islanders from Nayland College, Gagame was top goal scorer at secondary school nationals last year but hasn't played for Suburbs due to being to young and NZ football not allowing him to.

in the midfield there's Alex Ridsdale, current NZ secondary schools player, was in the U15 team last year and likely to make the U17 world cup squad next year. Adam Smith, former U17 player, had been offered a one year contract with Hull's youth team before but had to turn it down due to NCEA.

Defense - Matt Shaw, current NZ secondary schools player.

Goal keeper - Coey Turipa, NZ U20 goalie, trains with the Phoenix quite often.

Seven of the current Suburbs squad are still at school. But with no university most of the top talent do leave after college, whether it's for uni, scholarship in US, or just to travel.Luis Garcia2010-08-10 15:28:24
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Thought this was interesting. Current Nelson players involved with Canterbury.

These players have been training with the Canterbury United first team, with only Jordan Yong from Richmond being too old for the youth team.

Gagame Feni
Coey Turipa - Likely to be reserve keeper, but will start for the Youth team.
Jordan Yong - Richmond
Adam Smith

Canterbury Youth team
Matt Shaw
Billy Scott
Alex Ridsdale
and there's a guy from Marlborough in there too.

Point being, Nelson is developing the players to contribute a very decent percentage in the Canterbury set up.
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Luis Garcia wrote:
Thought this was interesting. Current Nelson players involved with Canterbury.

These players have been training with the Canterbury United first team, with only Jordan Yong from Richmond being too old for the youth team.

Gagame Feni
Coey Turipa - Likely to be reserve keeper, but will start for the Youth team.
Jordan Yong - Richmond
Adam Smith

Canterbury Youth team
Matt Shaw
Billy Scott
Alex Ridsdale
and there's a guy from Marlborough in there too.

Point being, Nelson is developing the players to contribute a very decent percentage in the Canterbury set up.
More likely the point being Canterbury  is developing Nelsons players.
 Hardly a decent percentage of the Canterbury setup when they are'nt first team starters.
Fact being Nelson dont have enough decent players to have there own NZFC team.
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Luis Garcia wrote:
Thought this was interesting. Current Nelson players involved with Canterbury. These players have been training with the Canterbury United first team, with only Jordan Yong from Richmond being too old for the youth team. Gagame Feni Coey Turipa - Likely to be reserve keeper, but will start for the Youth team. Jordan Yong - Richmond Adam Smith Canterbury Youth team Matt Shaw Billy Scott Alex Ridsdale and there's a guy from Marlborough in there too. Point being, Nelson is developing the players to contribute a very decent percentage in the Canterbury set up.


More likely the point being Canterbury� is developing Nelsons players.
�Hardly a decent percentage of the Canterbury setup when they are'nt first team starters.

Fact being Nelson dont have enough decent players to have�there own NZFC team.


Considering only one of them has been in the Canterbury set up before shows Nelson is developing them. All the guys mentioned are under 20 years-old. Nayland College dominated at secondary school nationals, second place is awesome for a co-ed school in Nelson. Point being, give Nelson a national youth league team!
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Nelson and BOP would be the best options as far as geographical spread goes but unfortunately thats not enough.

If we're talking about expansion, how about that Porirua based franchise? (yes... Ole Madrids, the name sucked but everything else was there - facilities, access, financial backing).

Thoughts? Does anyone see this as a possibility (assuming the interest is still there)?

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