National League History Thread

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Inspired by the All Whites History thread I came across last night I thought it would be a good idea to have a National League (pre NZFC non-franchise) History thread - everything from the original National League (Rothmans / Air NZ / Winfield) to Superclub to the NSL to the Ansett/Qantas NZ/Southern Trust league. Basically 1970 - 2003.

Post pics / videos (if you can find any) / programme scans / memories etc.

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I'm mildly young so my first real memory of was actually a Superclub National League qualifier game watching Woolston v Roslyn down at Garrick Park. I think Kelly McLoughlin and Michael McGarry played for Rosyln. I'm sure Michael Flannigan scored the winner (possibly equaliser) to take Woolston into the National League ahead of Rangers.

Remember more the NSL watching Woolston under Richard Wilson and Canterbury-Woolston under Keith Braithwaite. Some good players in that league. The highlights were the penalty shootout against Miramar (featuring John Fashanu), remember Hutt City with the Chileans, and North Shore under the Rufer's with Ngata and Burton running the show. 


Vaguely remember a game against either Waikato or Melville getting delayed as the flight got stranded at Hamilton. 

Another thing that sticks in my mind is Mike Boomer (for Christchurch City) getting nailed from behind by a Croatian guy against Manawatu at QEII. Did his knee and never played at that level again.

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theres not a lot around on National League but this user on youtube (puketiro1) has some good stuff of Napier City Rovers in the late 80's early 90s in amongst their clips

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=puket...

and for some blatant self promotion (and it'll help my site numbers as i haven't posted in a while) I've got a bit of stuff I've written on the old National League here 

http://thejourneyfan.blogspot.com/p/nz-football-hi...

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This is always worth purchasing for a read if you are interested in the history of the National League. Written by one of the best football writers in the country, Bruce Holloway https://nationalleaguedebates.weebly.com/

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would be great to reminesce about the old National League days. I went to the first game in Wellington (Western Suburbs v Mt wellington- the reigning central league and northern league champs). Played at Evans Bay - for you young uns it was where St Pats Town currently is.  An interesting exercise would be to name all the Wellington National league grounds - some odd ball ones would be Queen Elizabeth in Paekakariki , Miramar Park , Scots College and Rongotai College (I think). If you are really in to the history of the early days try and find a copy of Vic Deverills history of the first ten years (1970 -1979) - it's pretty scarce . Has all appearance , goal scorers and yearly summarys , club records , etc. Vic also did a similar exercise for the first ten years of the Central League (1968-77 ) - again pretty scarce. There is also a 25 year history of the Southern League by Nic Tolerton. As far as individual clubs go , then Iain Gillies wrote a book on Gisborne Citys league win - The Calss of 84 - again really scarce. I think there is a book about Christchurch Uniteds early success and I'm pretty sure WDU put out a publication to mark their first title in 1976. There was a lot of games televised in the early days of the league but I'm pretty sure TVNZ wiped them. For those of us of a certain vintage I can vaguely recall Venus Shield games being televised from the Basin Reserve in the 1960's. Remember that the Rugby Union saw TV as the devil incarnate in those days. I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one game in every National League season since 1970 except maybe 1986 when I was living in Napier and Hamilton which did not have a side in those days.

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That Ian Gillies book is probably one of the best NZ Football books out there, he is a great writer and was also manager of the Gisborne City team that won the league, so its written like a diary but also covers the history of football in Gisborne - if you ever see it grab it as its quite scare to

WDU did do a publication to mark the 1976 National League title (also did a 125th last year which covers Hungaria, Wellington City, & Diamonds as well) 

Also worth looking out for are the DB Soccer Annuals from 1975 & 76 that Josh Easby produced. shame they only lasted 2 seasons

You're right TVNZ wiped most (or all) of the footage, tape used to be quite precious so it got re-used and they only really kept national team stuff - most of which Khalli Media has on his channel now

Anyway you mentioned grounds so as an anorak its my duty to jump in and name the ones I know in Wellington that have hosted National League football 

Dave Farrington Park

Miramar Park

Scotts College

Rongotai College

Evans Bay

Newtown Park

Basin Reserve

Petone Memorial

Te Whiti Park

Bell Park

Hutt Park

Randwick School (not sure about this may have been pre season Hilton-Petone or Air NZ Cup only)

Queen Elizabeth Park (Paekakariki) 

Could also include Westpac, Hutt Rec & Porirua Park but those come under the "modern" era of National League Football (ie since 2005 when the franchise model came in)

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LSA2SB wrote:

This is always worth purchasing for a read if you are interested in the history of the National League. Written by one of the best football writers in the country, Bruce Holloway https://nationalleaguedebates.weebly.com/

I've tried purchasing it but never got a reply to my email

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Hi Doloras, Graeme Sole alerted me to your post. 

Not sure what happened with your earlier communication, but if you were to email me at cordwainerbull@gmail.com I could arrange to send you a copy of The National League Debates.

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You wouldn't be allowed "Winfield" today Bruce ;) 

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I have fond memories of watching DB Wellington in the late 80s

It was cool to watch teams who had come down from Auckland that were full of past and present All Whites get pulled to pieces by Barrie Truman's team, when all we had was Malcolm Dunford!

Truth was that we had talent all over the park; Billy Harris and Brent O'Neill were electric and of course Truman was probably the best coach in the country.

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reg22 wrote:

I have fond memories of watching DB Wellington in the late 80s

It was cool to watch teams who had come down from Auckland that were full of past and present All Whites get pulled to pieces by Barrie Truman's team, when all we had was Malcolm Dunford!

Truth was that we had talent all over the park; Billy Harris and Brent O'Neill were electric and of course Truman was probably the best coach in the country.

Barry Truman is a great bloke but I'm not sure I agree about being the best coach in the country. 

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Who did you rate highly Leggy?

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Who did you rate highly Leggy?

Ken Armstrong and Wally Hughes. There were a few others but I never played under them.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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How do those 2 measure up against today’s batch of top coaches ?

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How do those 2 measure up against today’s batch of top coaches ?

Impossible to say unless you have been coached/managed by them. Obviously there are some great coaches these days but hard to say when you are on the outside looking in.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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reg22 wrote:

I have fond memories of watching DB Wellington in the late 80s

It was cool to watch teams who had come down from Auckland that were full of past and present All Whites get pulled to pieces by Barrie Truman's team, when all we had was Malcolm Dunford!

Truth was that we had talent all over the park; Billy Harris and Brent O'Neill were electric and of course Truman was probably the best coach in the country.

Yes great days the 'old' National League watching on the bank at English Park and then at QEII Park. As you say all the team had current or former All Whites and all the teams had great characters in them and you could name most of the players in the opposition. 

Can remember in one game when Mt Wellington were playing ChCh United at English Park and Brian Turner ran out with a perm and white boots, I think he was just back after trying his luck in the UK. Soon the chant went up on the bank "Turner's a pansy's", after Brian had scored his second goal run to the crowd on the bank and with a smile said, "I may be a pansy but I can play a bit". 

The coaches great characters at well - Turman, Bill Fleming, Terry Conley, Don Jones, Ken Armstrong to name but a few. 

Sad news just coming out that Ken France, former ChCh United captain and All White from 67 - 73, passed away today.

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Stop Out in their Roy of the Rovers kit, North Shore playing in a Hibs kit.... Wellington Dutch United in Orange & Blue??

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Cavie with their theme song Its a grand ol team...

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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Cavie with their theme song Its a grand ol team...

Is that the same song now used by the Melbourne Demons?

(Team songs are old football traditions which have gone out in our code but are still big in the AFL.)

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