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If you cant see the clubs engagement with the local community has skyrocketed.  You have your head in the clouds.  I personally didn't mind Anglell as the coach for his first couple of seasons.  He came in under tough circumstances and got resuts on a limited budget.  Whats not to like.  He did overstay his welcome and the community pulled away from the club as a result of that.  Now the community is realigning with the club.  

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Honestly mate? Tell me where the community engagement is? 

You're dreaming if you think an active FB page is 'engaging with the community'. The club could be doing so so much more.  

Crowds are as bad as they've ever been. 

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Just following the twitter account from Wellington. HB United have been having pre game meet ups/lunches at Blue Water Hotel/Thirsty Whale. Coaches have been out and about in the community. just a few (I doubt you have any full time staff to do more) 

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Also local cubs back onboard as opposed to resenting the club.  PLenty happining,  you just need to want to see it.  

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Genuinely curious as to what people think would bring more fans out to games. We've been in Napier since April, 2015 and I'd say the highest number we've seen at a HBU game was maybe 750 or so fans at one of the games (a televised one) during our first season watching the team (2015/2016 season).

Crowds are definitely louder and more into the games this year than last year though. In terms of numbers, more would definitely be better, but how to get them there??

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CanadianFan wrote:

Genuinely curious as to what people think would bring more fans out to games. We've been in Napier since April, 2015 and I'd say the highest number we've seen at a HBU game was maybe 750 or so fans at one of the games (a televised one) during our first season watching the team (2015/2016 season).

Crowds are definitely louder and more into the games this year than last year though. In terms of numbers, more would definitely be better, but how to get them there??

Free gate will not.  Fun, emtertainment and enjoyment will. Sport is a tough gig.

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Realistically though, what can a Handy team afford in terms of entertainment that will bring a crowd into the stadium and hand out $10 for the entry fee?

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Realistically though, what can a Handy team afford in terms of entertainment that will bring a crowd into the stadium and hand out $10 for the entry fee?

For me, sports clubs need to move on from the model of sausage sizzle/hot chips/DB draught/instant coffee like clubs have for the last 30 years. The world has moved on but club football really hasn't.  I know not everyone who goes to football is a craft beer drinker, but you need to offer much better options for those that are into that. Blue water is a great place to watch and the weather is great, but you can't buy a beer and watch the game 

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CanadianFan wrote:

Genuinely curious as to what people think would bring more fans out to games. We've been in Napier since April, 2015 and I'd say the highest number we've seen at a HBU game was maybe 750 or so fans at one of the games (a televised one) during our first season watching the team (2015/2016 season).

Crowds are definitely louder and more into the games this year than last year though. In terms of numbers, more would definitely be better, but how to get them there??

Its definitely a relevant question that no one has been able to answer,  If I recall Tasman got a few 1500's in year one?  I may be wrong.

There needs to be a core supporters group that people gravitate to,  again no one has that.  

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Crisis 

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Bring back Brett

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I know this is tongue and cheek, but one wonders what Brett could have done with this group. 

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But we are having pre game lunch at the blue water and Chris and Bill are good guys who have given our local youth the chance to flourish... is it 1 win in last 8 or 9 now?

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I know this is tongue and cheek, but one wonders what Brett could have done with this group. 

Well, I'd guess the first thing he would do is half crowds then alienate the community clubs.  Probally bring in some Wellington baised at the expense of the locals then refuse to telly anyone why. 

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tonycottee wrote:

Foot20Ball wrote:

I know this is tongue and cheek, but one wonders what Brett could have done with this group. 

Well, I'd guess the first thing he would do is half crowds then alienate the community clubs.  Probally bring in some Wellington baised at the expense of the locals then refuse to telly anyone why. 

and finish in the top 4!

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You're embarrassing man. Look at the amount of 'locals' and I mean true locals getting actual game time. 

You've got a co-coach that honestly, needs to know when enough is enough and bench himself. If you think the crowds are that much bigger and the community that engaged you need your head checked because its not. You could have Jurgen Klopp in charge and people would still stay away. 

Brett was always pretty transparent - the locals who are good enough will be involved, those who aren't won't. Simple. 

That's not Bretts job anyway, thats the GM and the Event and Marketing Managers they've had - it was about results and I feel he'd get more out of some of these lads. Closer to the bottom than the top 4 now.

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Foot20Ball wrote:

You're embarrassing man. Look at the amount of 'locals' and I mean true locals getting actual game time. 

You've got a co-coach that honestly, needs to know when enough is enough and bench himself. If you think the crowds are that much bigger and the community that engaged you need your head checked because its not. You could have Jurgen Klopp in charge and people would still stay away. 

Brett was always pretty transparent - the locals who are good enough will be involved, those who aren't won't. Simple. 

That's not Bretts job anyway, thats the GM and the Event and Marketing Managers they've had - it was about results and I feel he'd get more out of some of these lads. Closer to the bottom than the top 4 now.

some points taken but...this club has never had $$$ for events and/or marketing managers. These jobs are done by volunteers- for better or for worse- that's the reality. Which ISPS clubs have $$$ for marketing and events people?

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Not true, they literally had a role entitled Marketing and Events Manager that was a full time role and then the General Managers role which included a marketing element. You can say not enough time etc for someone in that role, but you know what you're getting yourself in to when you apply for it.

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Not true, they literally had a role entitled Marketing and Events Manager that was a full time role and then the General Managers role which included a marketing element. You can say not enough time etc for someone in that role, but you know what you're getting yourself in to when you apply for it.

Happy to be corrected if wrong, but i can't recall that-was that recent? My recollection is that the only paid role (non-coaching staff) was the GM. The GM had responsibilities for game day events, but marketing was handled by volunteers.

Again, could be wrong but more recently i thought that was the case

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The way I see it is Chris and Bill took over a team that was on its knees.  Players were not committing to the region,  crowds weren't interested, and the community clubs resented the franchise.  They are working with a positive new board to rectify a number (and more )of these issues.  

I shouldn't point the finger at Brett,  that's unfair,  but you also have to concede it's not just up the GM and Event Manager to get people through the gate,  everyone has to be on board.  

Results have been poor of late.   No way around that.  I do get the feeling that there is more a long term vision in play here though.  @foot20Ball I feel as though you are almost happy when the result goes against the Bay?? Tell us why?  

Anyway if you want to tear the team down go for it.  It would have been nice to hear from you when things were going well.  

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