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Well we might find out all these answers sooner rather than later. Big news to come I hear...

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Agreed - he has been a disaster & Canterbury Utd is now being run contrary to the original vision.

It should be seen as something for the top MPL players to aspire to & the first thing they need to put in place to achieve this is to have a coach players actually want to play for.

It would probably be beneficial if Mainland Football had some or total governance of the team but they wouldn't have the funds for it so they could speak to Mr ChCh Utd regarding financial backing as this would be a much better way to support to local football as opposed to sinking $$$$$$$ in to a local 2nd division team & pulling the rug out from under other local teams. I would think it would given him much better exposure & bang for his back too

Also I think you will find that Fifa is against a franchised versus club option in the Club World Cup which will cause the resultant breakup of the franchised competition.  Who knows what NZ Football will do with the competition with the incompetent state they have been in.

I think NZ Football would like to have a club set up so at the moment that would only mean Eastern Suburbs, Hamilton Wanderers and Wellington Phoenix reserves out the the current Premiership club. 

If it is to become a solely based Premiership then cannot see too many clubs from the South Island wanting to enter, maybe Christchurch United are the only club in the South Island has a 'backer' that may to willing to bankroll an costs.

The old national league saw plenty of clubs go to the wall due to costs and in the end was 'canned' as it was no longer a nation wide competition.

Without a big sponsership will the current model last - probably not, with plenty of talk on other treads concerning the finances, or lack of for Hawkes Bay and Waitakere etc. 

Would be interesting to see the current balance sheet for the Dragon's as more likely to be more money going out that coming in so the next AGM likely to be have a major impact on the long term status of Canterbury United.  

Probably a case of too many who know how to count the beans and not enough who know how to get the beans in if you look at the current state.

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VimFuego wrote:
Well we might find out all these answers sooner rather than later. Big news to come I hear...

come on Vim, spill the beans :-)

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2018 AGM news - 68k loss this year (36k loss last year). Struggled this year with loss of main sponsor and trust funding. Cant United to be merged into Mainland Football (involves eventually winding up CU as an incorporated society). The current structure of 2 organisations has run its course and changes are needed. Clubs require more details on how CU will work within the Mainland framework. As well CU have asked for a large increase in the CU levy/membership fee charged to all Canterbury/Chch club members (to harness the value of the 10,000 odd members). In return a Canterbury member ship card given with free entry into CU and Pride games, and other options (UltraSport, McDonalds, looking for petrol fuel offers). At the moment clubs require more information regarding the increase and this may be transitioned over 2 years.

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Le Mur wrote:

2018 AGM news - 68k loss this year (36k loss last year). Struggled this year with loss of main sponsor and trust funding. Cant United to be merged into Mainland Football (involves eventually winding up CU as an incorporated society). The current structure of 2 organisations has run its course and changes are needed. Clubs require more details on how CU will work within the Mainland framework. As well CU have asked for a large increase in the CU levy/membership fee charged to all Canterbury/Chch club members (to harness the value of the 10,000 odd members). In return a Canterbury member ship card given with free entry into CU and Pride games, and other options (UltraSport, McDonalds, looking for petrol fuel offers). At the moment clubs require more information regarding the increase and this may be transitioned over 2 years.

That wasn’t the big news I was hoping for. Willy gone would be the preferred option over all of the above

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kiwifan90 wrote:

Le Mur wrote:

2018 AGM news - 68k loss this year (36k loss last year). Struggled this year with loss of main sponsor and trust funding. Cant United to be merged into Mainland Football (involves eventually winding up CU as an incorporated society). The current structure of 2 organisations has run its course and changes are needed. Clubs require more details on how CU will work within the Mainland framework. As well CU have asked for a large increase in the CU levy/membership fee charged to all Canterbury/Chch club members (to harness the value of the 10,000 odd members). In return a Canterbury member ship card given with free entry into CU and Pride games, and other options (UltraSport, McDonalds, looking for petrol fuel offers). At the moment clubs require more information regarding the increase and this may be transitioned over 2 years.

That wasn’t the big news I was hoping for. Willy gone would be the preferred option over all of the above

I highly doubt he will get the sack until the end of the season as he is paid too much. My understanding is that he is an employee of mainland that does nothing but coach the dragons.....

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FLASHBACK TO 2015!

Canterbury United find themselves in the fertiliser business! The brain surgeons at Canterbury United decide that the best way forward is to bring in an Albanian chain smoker to manufacture more fertiliser! It has worked a treat as the previously hard earned reserves are now well spent and the fertiliser is still coming by the ton. 

The surgeons have now decided that their time is up and they will hand the fertiliser operation to another bunch of surgeons at Drainland Football! This bunch have under the incumbent leadership resided over one of the most poorly performing sporting organisations the city/country has ever seen.

We are not creating NZ class players, but the Football Development Manager and his team remain. We are not creating NZ class referees but the Referees Development Manager remains. Do these people have KPI's? Is anyone monitoring them? Drainland Football is not the answer to the national league teams problems, in fact they will probably make them worse. 

Apparently one of the board members from Canterbury United will transfer to Drainalnd for continuity if the clubs agree to the recommended changes. I would suggest this person should hang their head in shame and walk like the others who have been hoodwinked by the chain smoker! 

Canterbury United is operating illegally and insolvent! Wind it up and create something we can be proud of, with people that understand the game at this level and can see through a person that is not capable of doing what is right for the local game.

P.S. how does Jaun Chang make the squad? and is he being paid anything from the $110K player payment fund or the $30K  player training and welfare fund?

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Ozvaldo wrote:

P.S. how does Jaun Chang make the squad? and is he being paid anything from the $110K player payment fund or the $30K  player training and welfare fund?

Came on as a late sub and scored the winner in a 2-1 win against Waitakere United today!

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Ozvaldo wrote:

P.S. how does Jaun Chang make the squad? and is he being paid anything from the $110K player payment fund or the $30K  player training and welfare fund?

Came on as a late sub and scored the winner in a 2-1 win against Waitakere United today!

thats his juan goal for the season and guarantees a contract next year as wel

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Great win today, puts the Dragons in with a great shout for the top 4. Juan Chang scored the winner, and Willy chose to bring him on. Funny the amount of hate they get from the local football public, so good on them. Let's be real, top 4 is the realistic target and at the moment they are heading in the right direction. Plenty of teams in the league in worse situations than the Dragons (HBU, Waitak, WeeNix). Also, of the starting XI today, 9 of them play in the MPL and all of the bench play in the MPL. So there were only two "imports" in the squad today. One of whom assisted the winner (Thruston) and the other saved a pen and made some crucial saves (Tracey). Looks like they are giving opportunities to the local footballers then, and I would love to know which local players the armchair coaches on this forum think would be capable of stepping up to the Dragons ahead of the current group (Clapham doesn't count, can't build a team around a man who loves himself that much!)

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Today's Results:

Canty United 2 Waitakere 1 - Gary Ogilvie scoring before the break to make it 1 -1 with Juan Chang the winner with six to play.Gary's goal was the 400th premiership for the Dragon's with the result lifting us up to fifth on the table.

Eastern Suburbs 0 Tasman 0

Hamilton Wanderers 3 Wee Nixs 1

Hawkes Bays 3 Southern United 2

We are away to Southern United next weekend before going into the Christmas Break.

Updated table is:

  P W D L F A +/- Pts
Auckland City FC 7 7 0 0 18 6 12 21
Team Wellington 8 5 2 1 20 10 10 17
Eastern Suburbs 8 5 1 2 15 4 11 16
Hamilton Wanderers 8 4 1 3 13 10 3 13
Canterbury United 8 3 3 2 14 16 -2 12
Hawke's Bay Utd 8 3 2 3 16 17 -1 11
Southern United 7 3 1 3 10 11 -1 10
Waitakere United 8 2 1 5 11 16 -5 7
Tasman United 8 1 1 6 9 19 -10 4
Wellington Phoenix Reserves 8 0 0 8 8 25 -17 0
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Great win today, puts the Dragons in with a great shout for the top 4. Juan Chang scored the winner, and Willy chose to bring him on. Funny the amount of hate they get from the local football public, so good on them. Let's be real, top 4 is the realistic target and at the moment they are heading in the right direction. Plenty of teams in the league in worse situations than the Dragons (HBU, Waitak, WeeNix). Also, of the starting XI today, 9 of them play in the MPL and all of the bench play in the MPL. So there were only two "imports" in the squad today. One of whom assisted the winner (Thruston) and the other saved a pen and made some crucial saves (Tracey). Looks like they are giving opportunities to the local footballers then, and I would love to know which local players the armchair coaches on this forum think would be capable of stepping up to the Dragons ahead of the current group (Clapham doesn't count, can't build a team around a man who loves himself that much!)

Nice to see someone saying something that sounds like sense. I’m also eager to understand what MPL players people would put in the squad that could compete at National league level? Don’t say Heath, Matthysen or Wellbourn either they were all given the chance.

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Bootsplease wrote:

Great win today, puts the Dragons in with a great shout for the top 4. Juan Chang scored the winner, and Willy chose to bring him on. Funny the amount of hate they get from the local football public, so good on them. Let's be real, top 4 is the realistic target and at the moment they are heading in the right direction. Plenty of teams in the league in worse situations than the Dragons (HBU, Waitak, WeeNix). Also, of the starting XI today, 9 of them play in the MPL and all of the bench play in the MPL. So there were only two "imports" in the squad today. One of whom assisted the winner (Thruston) and the other saved a pen and made some crucial saves (Tracey). Looks like they are giving opportunities to the local footballers then, and I would love to know which local players the armchair coaches on this forum think would be capable of stepping up to the Dragons ahead of the current group (Clapham doesn't count, can't build a team around a man who loves himself that much!)

Nice to see someone saying something that sounds like sense. I’m also eager to understand what MPL players people would put in the squad that could compete at National league level? Don’t say Heath, Matthysen or Wellbourn either they were all given the chance.

Of course one win and one goal changes everything! How stupid of me to speak Ill of willy I do apologise sincerely. 

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Bootsplease wrote:

Great win today, puts the Dragons in with a great shout for the top 4. Juan Chang scored the winner, and Willy chose to bring him on. Funny the amount of hate they get from the local football public, so good on them. Let's be real, top 4 is the realistic target and at the moment they are heading in the right direction. Plenty of teams in the league in worse situations than the Dragons (HBU, Waitak, WeeNix). Also, of the starting XI today, 9 of them play in the MPL and all of the bench play in the MPL. So there were only two "imports" in the squad today. One of whom assisted the winner (Thruston) and the other saved a pen and made some crucial saves (Tracey). Looks like they are giving opportunities to the local footballers then, and I would love to know which local players the armchair coaches on this forum think would be capable of stepping up to the Dragons ahead of the current group (Clapham doesn't count, can't build a team around a man who loves himself that much!)

Nice to see someone saying something that sounds like sense. I’m also eager to understand what MPL players people would put in the squad that could compete at National league level? Don’t say Heath, Matthysen or Wellbourn either they were all given the chance.

Of course one win and one goal changes everything! How stupid of me to speak Ill of willy I do apologise sincerely. 

Never mentioned Willy. I’m asking about these local players that would add to the squad?

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Bootsplease wrote:

kiwifan90 wrote:

Bootsplease wrote:

Great win today, puts the Dragons in with a great shout for the top 4. Juan Chang scored the winner, and Willy chose to bring him on. Funny the amount of hate they get from the local football public, so good on them. Let's be real, top 4 is the realistic target and at the moment they are heading in the right direction. Plenty of teams in the league in worse situations than the Dragons (HBU, Waitak, WeeNix). Also, of the starting XI today, 9 of them play in the MPL and all of the bench play in the MPL. So there were only two "imports" in the squad today. One of whom assisted the winner (Thruston) and the other saved a pen and made some crucial saves (Tracey). Looks like they are giving opportunities to the local footballers then, and I would love to know which local players the armchair coaches on this forum think would be capable of stepping up to the Dragons ahead of the current group (Clapham doesn't count, can't build a team around a man who loves himself that much!)

Nice to see someone saying something that sounds like sense. I’m also eager to understand what MPL players people would put in the squad that could compete at National league level? Don’t say Heath, Matthysen or Wellbourn either they were all given the chance.

Of course one win and one goal changes everything! How stupid of me to speak Ill of willy I do apologise sincerely. 

Never mentioned Willy. I’m asking about these local players that would add to the squad?

Nothing really constructive to add which summarises the rocks in many heads including your own. What else do you expect from Willy and the Dragons? They're competitive in the league, drew 1-1 away to TW last week and now beaten a typical powerhouse with a squad full of locals. I really don't understand what the problem is here? If you need someone to blame, then it should be the board or Mainland or whoever is responsible for the finances and the public relations, they are the people who have let you down. Oh, I wouldn't touch any of the youth team players with a barge pole after their performance today either. Not a single player in that squad who could make the senior team!

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I personally would have loved to have seen Cory Vickers in the squad to be honest, guy got defender of the year and didn't make it. Especially since Reece got cut from the squad. Would have preferred him with an import slot rather than Juan, but that's just my personal opinion. The only reason Byron Heath isn't playing at the moment is injury, otherwise I'd back him to start. Thurston looked a lot better down the middle than out wide. First half was a bit typical but came out firing in the second half and was the best I've seen us this season by far. Strange decision to take George King off only to bring on Luke Tongue (Who hasn't impressed me this season either) However, I think the attack is still very narrow, even when counter attacking or switching out, leaves it much easier to defend, but that's just my two cents

Justice is served.

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I personally would have loved to have seen Cory Vickers in the squad to be honest, guy got defender of the year and didn't make it. Especially since Reece got cut from the squad. Would have preferred him with an import slot rather than Juan, but that's just my personal opinion. The only reason Byron Heath isn't playing at the moment is injury, otherwise I'd back him to start. Thurston looked a lot better down the middle than out wide. First half was a bit typical but came out firing in the second half and was the best I've seen us this season by far. Strange decision to take George King off only to bring on Luke Tongue (Who hasn't impressed me this season either) However, I think the attack is still very narrow, even when counter attacking or switching out, leaves it much easier to defend, but that's just my two cents

Vickers moved back to the UK, Byron got injured playing school tournament which shows how committed he was to the Dragons. So I guess you can't blame Willy for those? Where have the rest of your haters gone to support you? Taken the night off it seems....

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I personally would have loved to have seen Cory Vickers in the squad to be honest, guy got defender of the year and didn't make it. Especially since Reece got cut from the squad. Would have preferred him with an import slot rather than Juan, but that's just my personal opinion. The only reason Byron Heath isn't playing at the moment is injury, otherwise I'd back him to start. Thurston looked a lot better down the middle than out wide. First half was a bit typical but came out firing in the second half and was the best I've seen us this season by far. Strange decision to take George King off only to bring on Luke Tongue (Who hasn't impressed me this season either) However, I think the attack is still very narrow, even when counter attacking or switching out, leaves it much easier to defend, but that's just my two cents

Vickers moved back to the UK, Byron got injured playing school tournament which shows how committed he was to the Dragons. So I guess you can't blame Willy for those? Where have the rest of your haters gone to support you? Taken the night off it seems....

Vickers left because he was not given a contract, was more than happy to stay if offered one. Bit rough on a young lad that just wants to play football there isn't it? Or are you just not a fan of his? Also lovely of you to completely ignore the positives that I put in there as well. I'm not a hater, I haven't missed a game and turn up to support our team at every home game. I just make observations and share them. Both positive and negative as you will note in my previous post.

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Bootsplease wrote:

Great win today, puts the Dragons in with a great shout for the top 4. Juan Chang scored the winner, and Willy chose to bring him on. Funny the amount of hate they get from the local football public, so good on them. Let's be real, top 4 is the realistic target and at the moment they are heading in the right direction. Plenty of teams in the league in worse situations than the Dragons (HBU, Waitak, WeeNix). Also, of the starting XI today, 9 of them play in the MPL and all of the bench play in the MPL. So there were only two "imports" in the squad today. One of whom assisted the winner (Thruston) and the other saved a pen and made some crucial saves (Tracey). Looks like they are giving opportunities to the local footballers then, and I would love to know which local players the armchair coaches on this forum think would be capable of stepping up to the Dragons ahead of the current group (Clapham doesn't count, can't build a team around a man who loves himself that much!)

Nice to see someone saying something that sounds like sense. I’m also eager to understand what MPL players people would put in the squad that could compete at National league level? Don’t say Heath, Matthysen or Wellbourn either they were all given the chance.

Of course one win and one goal changes everything! How stupid of me to speak Ill of willy I do apologise sincerely. 

Never mentioned Willy. I’m asking about these local players that would add to the squad?

One I can think of.

Tom Batty a local player that would add to the depth of the starting side and squad. Stood in last year as back up when given the call late in the season by Willy, also without having to train.

He won't count in your ranking of MPL players as only played Midfield in a Div1 team last winter.

Funny part is Willy tried to get him to play [before winter season finished] this season for the Dragons, what does that say about the goal keepers he has in the squad when you go chasing a player that plays all season in Div1 outfield.

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BrightSpark wrote:

I personally would have loved to have seen Cory Vickers in the squad to be honest, guy got defender of the year and didn't make it. Especially since Reece got cut from the squad. Would have preferred him with an import slot rather than Juan, but that's just my personal opinion. The only reason Byron Heath isn't playing at the moment is injury, otherwise I'd back him to start. Thurston looked a lot better down the middle than out wide. First half was a bit typical but came out firing in the second half and was the best I've seen us this season by far. Strange decision to take George King off only to bring on Luke Tongue (Who hasn't impressed me this season either) However, I think the attack is still very narrow, even when counter attacking or switching out, leaves it much easier to defend, but that's just my two cents

Are you referring to Reece Cox or Rhys Williams??

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