ISPS Handa Premiership

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Shame it doesn't appear you can get them on demand though, or at least I couldn't find any when logged onto Sky Go

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Completely left-field idea...

...but what would be the obstacles in the way of NZF if they were to partner with the likes of mycujoo.tv or similar to allow free streams of Handy games?
I don't have Skype (like many others) and can only go to about 60% of TW games. I'm sure there are many others like me and the ability to stream online would enable us (and potentially others around the world) to watch more Handy games.

Genuinely curious, especially since clubs have to pay for Sky to show their games. This could be free/cheaper and increase the number of viewers many-fold.

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LSA2SB wrote:

Shame it doesn't appear you can get them on demand though, or at least I couldn't find any when logged onto Sky Go

Highlights Show listed in Video > On demand

in the Bein app

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Not sure if this helps but individual club sites often have highlights ; ie Tee Dubs v Hamilton highlights can be accessed via TW facebook page. Haven't looked but other franchises probably the same 

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Completely left-field idea...

...but what would be the obstacles in the way of NZF if they were to partner with the likes of mycujoo.tv or similar to allow free streams of Handy games?
I don't have Skype (like many others) and can only go to about 60% of TW games. I'm sure there are many others like me and the ability to stream online would enable us (and potentially others around the world) to watch more Handy games.

Genuinely curious, especially since clubs have to pay for Sky to show their games. This could be free/cheaper and increase the number of viewers many-fold.

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BUMP or no-one interested?

clubs are not paying sky this season.

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Completely left-field idea...

...but what would be the obstacles in the way of NZF if they were to partner with the likes of mycujoo.tv or similar to allow free streams of Handy games?
I don't have Skype (like many others) and can only go to about 60% of TW games. I'm sure there are many others like me and the ability to stream online would enable us (and potentially others around the world) to watch more Handy games.

Genuinely curious, especially since clubs have to pay for Sky to show their games. This could be free/cheaper and increase the number of viewers many-fold.

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BUMP or no-one interested?

Main hurdle is getting film crews at each ground and paying them somehow (exposure dollars or real dollars). Quality of stream can be an issue but if you've got competent people doing it they should be able to sort it. Definitely a case of you get what you pay for.

From what I know NZF has largely left streaming up to each individual club which is why some do and some don't. Some people I've chatted with on twitter previously were concerned about betting on games and how streaming might worsen that (but I don't think it's a reason not too) which is why some clubs don't want to go near it.

I think MyCujoo would be a great platform to get games on - you wouldn't have to keep track of each teams youtube channel (or facebook, but why would you even broadcast on there?!) and they're all in one place. Whether it will take the place of broadcast tv I'm not sure.

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wibbler wrote:

LSA2SB wrote:

chubbs wrote:

Shame it doesn't appear you can get them on demand though, or at least I couldn't find any when logged onto Sky Go

Highlights Show listed in Video > On demand

in the Bein app

Not sure if this helps but individual club sites often have highlights ; ie Tee Dubs v Hamilton highlights can be accessed via TW facebook page. Haven't looked but other franchises probably the same 

Didn't think about it being on the Bein app, thanks. Will also try check out other teams facebook pages too. Cheers

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I watched Southern United vs Tasman on line via Southern United’s YouTube channel. 

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player welfare?  It's not great to have players playing back to back seasons for year on year.

In Auckland players will play National League for the competition and then play NRFL (sometimes even Div 1) for the cash - removing the ability (eventually) for players to do both should see them choose National League if the product is good enough.

Really? I'm sure its not that much of an issue for players in NZ, how many games a year do premier league players play including cups, Europe and internationals? plus the amount of trainign they also go through.
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chopah wrote:

player welfare?  It's not great to have players playing back to back seasons for year on year.

In Auckland players will play National League for the competition and then play NRFL (sometimes even Div 1) for the cash - removing the ability (eventually) for players to do both should see them choose National League if the product is good enough.

Really? I'm sure its not that much of an issue for players in NZ, how many games a year do premier league players play including cups, Europe and internationals? plus the amount of trainign they also go through.

are you comparing professional players with amateur footballers who have other jobs?  good one.

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ISPS Handa Premiership week 2 preview

https://oceaniafootballcenter.home.blog/2019/11/09...

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Round 2 results / scorers

Wellington Phoenix Reserves 3 (Blake Driehuis  x 3) Hawke’s Bay United 4 (Dylan Sacramento x 3, Ahinga Selemani) HT: 0 - 1

Canterbury United Dragons 2 (George King, Reece Dalton) Southern United 1 (Garbhan Coughlan - pen) HT: 1 - 1

Hamilton Wanderers 3 (Jake Butler, Derek Tieku, Tommy Semmy) Eastern Suburbs 0 HT: 3 - 0

Tasman United 0 Waitakere United 2 (Alex Connor-McClean x 2) HT: 0 - 0

Auckland City 2 (Myer Bevan - pen, Logan Rogerson) Team Wellington 2 (Oliver Bassett, Hamish Watson - pen) HT: 1 - 1

Table

Team P W D L F A GD Pts
Waitakere United 2 2 0 0 5 1 4 6
Team Wellington 2 1 1 0 7 3 4 4
Auckland City FC 2 1 1 0 5 4 1 4
Southern United 2 1 0 1 5 2 3 3
Hawkes Bay United 2 1 0 1 6 6 0 3
Canterbury United 2 1 0 1 2 2 0 3
Hamilton Wanderers 2 1 0 1 4 5 -1 3
Eastern Suburbs 2 1 0 1 1 3 -2 3
Wellington Phoenix 2 0 0 2 4 7 -3 0
Tasman United 2 0 0 2 0 6 -6 0

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Wanderers eh!?

From watching them last week i thought easts didn't look that great

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chopah wrote:

chopah wrote:

player welfare?  It's not great to have players playing back to back seasons for year on year.

In Auckland players will play National League for the competition and then play NRFL (sometimes even Div 1) for the cash - removing the ability (eventually) for players to do both should see them choose National League if the product is good enough.

Really? I'm sure its not that much of an issue for players in NZ, how many games a year do premier league players play including cups, Europe and internationals? plus the amount of trainign they also go through.

are you comparing professional players with amateur footballers who have other jobs?  good one.

Yes I am, it’s all relative. 
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chopah wrote:

chopah wrote:

player welfare?  It's not great to have players playing back to back seasons for year on year.

In Auckland players will play National League for the competition and then play NRFL (sometimes even Div 1) for the cash - removing the ability (eventually) for players to do both should see them choose National League if the product is good enough.

Really? I'm sure its not that much of an issue for players in NZ, how many games a year do premier league players play including cups, Europe and internationals? plus the amount of trainign they also go through.

are you comparing professional players with amateur footballers who have other jobs?  good one.

Yes I am, it’s all relative. 

ha - that's literally the funniest thing you could have said.  

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chopah wrote:

chopah wrote:

chopah wrote:

player welfare?  It's not great to have players playing back to back seasons for year on year.

In Auckland players will play National League for the competition and then play NRFL (sometimes even Div 1) for the cash - removing the ability (eventually) for players to do both should see them choose National League if the product is good enough.

Really? I'm sure its not that much of an issue for players in NZ, how many games a year do premier league players play including cups, Europe and internationals? plus the amount of trainign they also go through.

are you comparing professional players with amateur footballers who have other jobs?  good one.

Yes I am, it’s all relative. 

ha - that's literally the funniest thing you could have said.  

The theory is essentially based around that you put in the amount of work required based on your ability, the level you are playing at and the number of games you play. For example, I am a semi pro playing 24 games a season in the NZ premiership, I train up to 5 times a week against players pretty close to my own ability and I hold my own with them at training and in games. I am as fit as I need to be and possibly playing at the level I should be based on a number of factors. Compare that to a player that plays in the EPL for a top side, also represents his country, trains every day either once, twice or more and I am as fit as I need to be to play at this level. Essentially you play and train at the level you are best suited for based on your ability. I'm not saying Handy players should play an EPL/ChampionsLeague/World Cup/EuropeanChamps sort of schedule but certainly that they should be able to play Handy and Central League in the same year. The situation here is not so bad that NZF need to take such steps to protect the players from burn out FFS.
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chopah wrote:

chopah wrote:

chopah wrote:

player welfare?  It's not great to have players playing back to back seasons for year on year.

In Auckland players will play National League for the competition and then play NRFL (sometimes even Div 1) for the cash - removing the ability (eventually) for players to do both should see them choose National League if the product is good enough.

Really? I'm sure its not that much of an issue for players in NZ, how many games a year do premier league players play including cups, Europe and internationals? plus the amount of trainign they also go through.

are you comparing professional players with amateur footballers who have other jobs?  good one.

Yes I am, it’s all relative. 

ha - that's literally the funniest thing you could have said.  

The theory is essentially based around that you put in the amount of work required based on your ability, the level you are playing at and the number of games you play. For example, I am a semi pro playing 24 games a season in the NZ premiership, I train up to 5 times a week against players pretty close to my own ability and I hold my own with them at training and in games. I am as fit as I need to be and possibly playing at the level I should be based on a number of factors. Compare that to a player that plays in the EPL for a top side, also represents his country, trains every day either once, twice or more and I am as fit as I need to be to play at this level. Essentially you play and train at the level you are best suited for based on your ability. I'm not saying Handy players should play an EPL/ChampionsLeague/World Cup/EuropeanChamps sort of schedule but certainly that they should be able to play Handy and Central League in the same year. The situation here is not so bad that NZF need to take such steps to protect the players from burn out FFS.

Here is an interesting link, it doesn't explain my convoluted theory but an interesting point about reasons for burn out  link
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chopah wrote:

chopah wrote:

chopah wrote:

player welfare?  It's not great to have players playing back to back seasons for year on year.

In Auckland players will play National League for the competition and then play NRFL (sometimes even Div 1) for the cash - removing the ability (eventually) for players to do both should see them choose National League if the product is good enough.

Really? I'm sure its not that much of an issue for players in NZ, how many games a year do premier league players play including cups, Europe and internationals? plus the amount of trainign they also go through.

are you comparing professional players with amateur footballers who have other jobs?  good one.

Yes I am, it’s all relative. 

ha - that's literally the funniest thing you could have said.  

how many games do you think the guys in the non leagues side in the UK play a year? would be more than 24!  What do those guys do during the week days? pretty sure its work fulltime job. 

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In terms of the player workload / overlapping seasons, you also have the guys that play Australia NPL and Handa Premiership (Hamish Watson, Mo Awad spring to mind), so it is not just the players that play Handa Premiership and (NRFL/Central/Southern).  To me its advantageous that these players can go over to Australia and earn some money (well I hope they are) because the seasons are adjacent rather than overlapping.

I'd only see it being a problem if you find players are stopping at 25 and not carrying on into their 30s, and/or clubs are saying you have to play both and so they aren't playing at all.

I'll also add I made the effort to watch 3 Kings play against my local side, and I wish I'd been able to convince my kids along to see some of the long passes Cam Howieson was putting on a dime with the extra space afforded playing down a bit.  Hired guns playing down can be a good watch.

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