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I think some people don't truly understand what a Board's function is. It is one of governance and the definition of that [in a business context] is:

Governance means thinking about strategic issues, rather than the operational day-to-day running of the business.

By that definition, all of these fudge ups fall outside the day to day responsibility of the Board. Certainly the Board should be taking steps to make sure their appointed Chief Executive is carrying out their duties properly, they actually have very little visibility of what is happening day in and day out. They are reliant on issues escaping to the outside world or being made aware of issues by their employee [the CE].

If anyone here works in an environment where there is a Board at the top, you will be aware of the constant bitching and moaning about where and when the Board needs to keep their nose out and let the staff do what they are paid to do.

Its not as easy as saying just because the organisation's staff have made mistakes then its the Board's fault. 

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The appointment process of Martin was a fair and robust one the report found. Turns out his powerpoint game was as good as Hudsons.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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 Re-reading it you're 100% right. I do think there should be a mass clear out of the board though,they're the ones who steered the ship onto this reef, I don't trust them to navigate their way out in the slightest.

I wonder how much you can blame the board really. Its not like your local football where everyone on the committee is hands on, NZF employed Andy Martin at considerable cost to run the show. Under those circumstances you'd trust the guy you've hired to do the right thing wouldn't you? Now if it was found that members of the board received more than 1 report to them about the questionable behaviour of the CE or Director of Coaching - and did nothing about it - then I'd be calling for their heads. Martin was obviously a con man of sorts that probably kept all the negative stuff away from the board.

Nah, the board should know exactly what is going on via monthlyish reports from Marto. Maybe they had blind faith in him but I think there were enough indicators for the board to be concerned. They took far, far too long to do anything about the state of affairs. I'd be amazed if Martin wasn't hiding things from them but there's been enough smoke in the air the last couple of years that the board should've realised something is on fire. Instead they were having a nap while the house burnt down. To extend the metaphor way too far, they're now saying they'll start putting batteries in the smoke detector when the whole house needs to be rebuilt.

A grossly underperforming CEO is absolutely a governance issue.

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I think some people don't truly understand what a Board's function is. It is one of governance and the definition of that [in a business context] is:

Governance means thinking about strategic issues, rather than the operational day-to-day running of the business.

By that definition, all of these fudge ups fall outside the day to day responsibility of the Board. Certainly the Board should be taking steps to make sure their appointed Chief Executive is carrying out their duties properly, they actually have very little visibility of what is happening day in and day out. They are reliant on issues escaping to the outside world or being made aware of issues by their employee [the CE].

If anyone here works in an environment where there is a Board at the top, you will be aware of the constant bitching and moaning about where and when the Board needs to keep their nose out and let the staff do what they are paid to do.

Its not as easy as saying just because the organisation's staff have made mistakes then its the Board's fault. 

Sure The Board does not want to be involved in the day to day operations of the business. However, when there were clear indicators of serious issues they needed to be involved and this  was reinforced by the review. At the end of the day The Board is responsible.

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I think some people don't truly understand what a Board's function is. It is one of governance and the definition of that [in a business context] is:

Governance means thinking about strategic issues, rather than the operational day-to-day running of the business.

By that definition, all of these fudge ups fall outside the day to day responsibility of the Board. Certainly the Board should be taking steps to make sure their appointed Chief Executive is carrying out their duties properly, they actually have very little visibility of what is happening day in and day out. They are reliant on issues escaping to the outside world or being made aware of issues by their employee [the CE].

If anyone here works in an environment where there is a Board at the top, you will be aware of the constant bitching and moaning about where and when the Board needs to keep their nose out and let the staff do what they are paid to do.

Its not as easy as saying just because the organisation's staff have made mistakes then its the Board's fault. 


NZF are under resourced, and look rudderless in terms of strategic direction.  Everytime a new High performance person starts there is a new strategic direction floated.  Does that look like the governance is good?
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Balbi wrote:

aitkenmike wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

The Herald understands that executive council member Jon Ormond advised the rest of the executive committee of his decision to resign late last week.

In a statement, Ormond said it came down to a "conscience vote", given the findings of the review.

Ormond also claimed that the chairman Deryck Shaw's position is now "untenable".

His decision could be a catalyst to spark others on the board to act.

It's a significant move, and the first time in years, possibly decades, that a serving board member has resigned in such a fashion.

The Herald understands that some other board members are now considering their positions.

Some are believed to still support Shaw, but others believe that the long-time chairman should step down in light of the review.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?...

Isn't he one of the ones that the came on in the 'coup' in May this year?  If so, it's ridiculous that he is the only one so far with the moral courage to stand down, given that he had no role in the clusterfudge of the last 5 or so years.

yes he was one that came in in may - if I was cynical, I'd say he looked at the whole thing went this is a mess I'm getting out while I can

Or even more cynically, if I get out now I can get back on in a few years. 

The board needs Jon Ormond far more than he needs to be on the NZF board.  He's extremely successful  

Normo's coming home

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Fratton Park - Champion Hill - Kiwitea St

And all away grounds inbetween.

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Balbi wrote:

VIVA PRESIDENT PATRICK

Deryck Shaw gonna do one tomorrow

Express Football Special Calling At

Fratton Park - Champion Hill - Kiwitea St

And all away grounds inbetween.

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Balbi wrote:

Balbi wrote:

VIVA PRESIDENT PATRICK

Deryck Shaw gonna do one tomorrow

Says the board members don't get any remuneration. So the organisation is run like the local kids sports team, by amateur volunteers?? 

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whatever wrote:

I blame The Board. Look at the Olympic cheating. We were caught red handed but instead of admitting it, The Board appealed at great cost, flying barristers to the Islands on a futile mission. It was a classic exercise of the Board looking to cover their backsides.

There were also plenty of signals where The Board should have got involved especiallly with Martin. Instead they moved a vote of confidence in Martin

The U23's fiasco was a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario for the NZF board. They had very little time to make a decision, and would have been equally criticised by some if they hadn't appealed. There was no real precinct, on what to do.

For not acting on Martin earlier, there is no excuse.

That's really not true.  As soon as the decision was released it's my memory it was pretty unanimous from anyone reading the statutes that we had stuffed up prior to the appeal, let alone the decision.  This wasn't hindsight is 20/20 criticsm, it was pointed out immediately that it was crazy.

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Shaw is about to fall on his sword according to "Stuff"

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aitkenmike wrote:

coochiee wrote:

whatever wrote:

I blame The Board. Look at the Olympic cheating. We were caught red handed but instead of admitting it, The Board appealed at great cost, flying barristers to the Islands on a futile mission. It was a classic exercise of the Board looking to cover their backsides.

There were also plenty of signals where The Board should have got involved especiallly with Martin. Instead they moved a vote of confidence in Martin

The U23's fiasco was a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario for the NZF board. They had very little time to make a decision, and would have been equally criticised by some if they hadn't appealed. There was no real precinct, on what to do.

For not acting on Martin earlier, there is no excuse.

That's really not true.  As soon as the decision was released it's my memory it was pretty unanimous from anyone reading the statutes that we had stuffed up prior to the appeal, let alone the decision.  This wasn't hindsight is 20/20 criticsm, it was pointed out immediately that it was crazy.

You are probably right. Admittedly my memory is sketchy. I thought there was like two appeals. Was that correct?

The first had to be submitted before the final, so was obviously really rushed, with no real time to fully research chances of success. The organisation would have been in a state of shock. It’s any wasted money spent on that appeal, that you can’t really blame NZF Board of Directors on.

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Cheating is cheating, they played an ineligible player. The Board wasted plenty of money on an appeal that they could never win as the rules were clear. Therefore they take the blame.

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/10...

Shaw resigns as part of the fallout. Wonder if we'll see more follow.

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Nelfoos wrote:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/10...

Shaw resigns as part of the fallout. Wonder if we'll see more follow.

Really the whole board should resign and seek a new mandate

Normo's coming home

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