New Zealand U-23s - Quali Whites

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If Leo is in form, then I would choose him, and perhaps Smeltz?

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Smeltz, mcglinchey and moss
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Is it three in the eleven or three in the squad?

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Three in the squad.
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Just take your best centre back, best midfielder and (if not one of the other 2) best available overage player.  Definitely Nelsen, McGlinchey and I'd take smith or Reid.  We're going to have to do a lot of defending in any international tournament.  If you take Smeltz you probably have to leave out one of Marco, Kosta and Wood which seems counterintuitive considering they've got to be the future for the AWs.
 
Or you could actually try Marco out in a central role.
 
If Ricki plays his stupid 3-4-3 I will be ropable though

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Wouldn't take Nelsen, plus doubt he'd be all that keen to go anyway. He'll be couple of months shy of his 35th birthday, pretty much on his last legs as a professional footballer, and we're talking about selecting him for what is effectively a second-rate tournament outside the FIFA international window? Yeah right.

Smith is eligible to go to the tournament as an U23 player, and I agree on taking Reid - he's the future of our backline, so if he wants to go and his club are willing to release him I'd take him.

Would also take McGlinchey as another critical All White of the future. Think Reid and McGlinchey are no-brainers, the trouble is who to pick as the third player - I don't think there's another obvious choice among defenders and midfielders. There's not much point taking someone like Moss like Sam suggested, as in Gleeson, Marinovic and Basalaj we have good keeping options in the U23 bracket. And while it is true that we should use the opportunity to get Marco, Kosta and Wood playing together, think they themselves could use an older and experienced forward to perhaps mentor them through the tournament, while also being able to contribute on the pitch himself. So probably Smeltzy or Killen for me, depending on their availability/keenness to be involved.
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The problem for me in taking a forward is you have to drop one of those three - for me this is exactly the kind of tournament they need to play together in.  Maybe you take both Smith and Reid to play in central defence and then take the big fella in the Canada, forget his name?  They're the future in that position  and can compete together. 
 
Or you could take one of the younger guys who have missed the age grade stuff, but don't qualify, say Dan Keat or Craig Henderson?
 
Maybe Nelsen isn't such a good idea - but I still think as many young kiwis should play with him to get an idea of what is required from a top level professional.  He might want to play in the Olympics as well...

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I dont know if this sounds stupid or not, But if Nelsen was to play and the premier was still on etc could he just play a match and then go back and play for Blackburn or what are the rules?
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he's just grouchy cos he didn't get the gig. The comparision to rugby is dumb, caching the AW's is a part time roll at best, the nix is for 6 months of the year, so coaching the Oly-whites at the olympics makes sense.

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" Rather than put trust in new, passionate and talented coaches such as Emblen, Herbert is set to forever dine out on a Rory Fallon header and the exceptional leadership of Ryan Nelsen."
 
That is a rather heavy comment isn't it?

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His Knights/Waitakere mateship with Emblen hardly makes him a neutral commentator whether he's right or not.
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The wider point he was making in the interview, which Malcomson agreed with, was the seeming lack of coaching pathways for guys at the highest level if Ricki is going to continue to pick up all the plum gigs. I can see his point but don't have enough knowledge in the area to comment on whether he is right or not.
 
Do we have coaches in NZ who we should be grooming? e.g. If the All Whites job became available tomorrow and they look for a candidate locally, who gets it?

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If they look locally we don't have one...  Emblen seems promising and I guess the first step beyond local clubmanship is to take a national age group side through qualifying which he is...
 
 
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Exactly, I don't understand the problem here. Emblem gets good experience taking the local boys through the qualifying campaign (presumably with some technical assistance/input from Herbert and others in the top setup) then when the Olympic campaign starts (assuming we qualify) and the team looks a lot like the All Whites side, Herbert takes over, with Emblem as assistant and gets experience in how things run.

Appears like a pretty good pathway to me.
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I wrote this almost 2 years ago about Stu Jacobs - see article called "who needs assistance" which was about Stu Jacobs being crowded out.
 
 
I must say I think that Danny has a point.  There is a problem if at national level only one voice is being heard.  Someone like Tim Brown will have only had Ricky Herbert as a coach throughout his professional lifetime, same with Lochhead, Sigmund and others.  It's not healthy when one country's coaching is dominated by a single ideology.
 
Let's also not forget that Ricky very nearly left both the national job and the phoenix after the world cup.  Where would that have left coaching in this country??  If Emblen is the next guy in line he needs opportunities.
 
Let's also not forget that when Herbert got the AWs job his only experience was with Central United in the national league (plus as assistant to Mick Wait).  He may have plenty of experience now but he didn't then.
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I must say I think that Danny has a point.


I would agree, but for the way in which he's made it.

His criticism is so strident that it makes me think he's just bitter, not genuinely concerned for the game.Smithy2011-10-20 22:30:38

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Yes but it's the Sunday News Smithy - red tops don't do reasoned argument...
 
I do think Ricky Herbert has been pretty smart.  He is now in a position where he is almost unsackable in either the Phoenix and the All Whites jobs - because he is the only NZ based coach with experience at either level he can pretty much dismiss any criticism by questioning that person's qualifications, without ever having to acknowledge that the criticisms might be valid.
 
And I'm not sure he's done well enough in either role to deflect all criticism or to have a job for life.
 
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" Herbert is set to forever dine out on a Rory Fallon header and the exceptional leadership of Ryan Nelsen."
 
It's not Herbert's fault this perception exists except that he is quite happy to consistently refer back to those achievements
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