Strangely sounds like it's specifically Hindu majority Bali (where Israel were to be based for their pool), rather than Muslim majority as a whole Indonesia that was the issue.
Strangely sounds like it's specifically Hindu majority Bali (where Israel were to be based for their pool), rather than Muslim majority as a whole Indonesia that was the issue.
You would think they would move Israel to another pool then.
ironically also that Israeli citizen are free to travel, work and fly through UAE, El Al can fly over Saudi air space & even Algeria and Tunisia are in talks of normalising ties, but not Indonesia which is thousands of KM's away from the Middle East.. Strange world we live in Oi Oi Edgecumbe
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Who won't they host?
Strangely sounds like it's specifically Hindu majority Bali (where Israel were to be based for their pool), rather than Muslim majority as a whole Indonesia that was the issue.
You would think they would move Israel to another pool then.
Don't the WWC venues need to be 'clean' months in advance of the July kick off? ie all other codes (league, rugby & AFL) have to stop using them by May/June?
That might mean switching the U20 WC to Aus/NZ is a possibility. Though I'm sure Qatar is likely the most geared up country to step in last minute.
Tournament is meant to run from 20 May to 11 June (3 weeks & 3 days), over that time - Sky Stadium has two weekend long home & living/food Shows and a super rugby match, - Eden Park, Forsyth Barr, Chch Stadium and Waikato stadium each have one or two super rugby matches.
Doesn't seem impossible that we could host around that, but it will be Qatar
Argentina are apparently interested in hosting it, even though they didn't qualify, probably going to be quite a tough battle to win out against Qatar though if they’re also interested.
On the matter of team selection for U20 and U23 has anyone else had the same thought or noticed that the mix of players does not include a higher representation of other academy’s, overseas or US University based players unlike the mix in the All Whites squad.
Surely we must have more talented young NZ players out there than the players which are just locally based.
Currently based in NZ - Sail & Payne (may have been at Blackburn age 20) Were based in NZ when in NZ U20s - Pijnaker, Cacace, McCowatt & Just I'm guessing at Melb Victory when in the U20s - Rojas At a US College when in U20s - Bell & likely same M Boxall. Greive didn't play NZ U20s but at that age probably was at College in the US as well In Europe when eligible U20s - Stamenic Not a perfect analysis, but basically a big number of the AWs at around age 20 would have been in NZ or Aussie. Same as now.
Some overseas based eligible guys like Dibley-Dias could yet still come into the U20s (and later Olywhites). Covid travel restrictions likely would have interrupted some plans re U17/18 camps & bringing in overseas guys for a look last few years.
I hear what you are saying although it still surprises me that there were not more players from Ole in the current U20/23 squad considering they have been producing a number of talented players over the past years.
I hear what you are saying although it still surprises me that there were not more players from Ole in the current U20/23 squad considering they have been producing a number of talented players over the past years.
I understand Ole has had some issues the last few years, and some of their better youngsters have switched to the Weenix Academy?? I think sadly Ben Sippola had to leave to care for his ill wife.
Ole now have a new Canadian boss with an impressive CV, so maybe can get back to where they were. NZ needs as many quality pathways as possible. And no harm in having one like Ole, that does it a bit different (well they certainly did when Declan was there). They have an impressive ex alumini roll call.
Strangely sounds like it's specifically Hindu majority Bali (where Israel were to be based for their pool), rather than Muslim majority as a whole Indonesia that was the issue.
I just read that the governor of Bali is a religious fundamenalist who has his own narrow view of what Balinese Hinduism should be and has even been taken to the Indonesian Human Rights Commission in recent years by Hindu groups on Bali like the Hare Krishnas for persecuting them and closing their centres. A divisive and unpopular figure with many in Bali - the head of the Bali House of Reprentatives has spoken out this week opposing the ban on Israelis visiting Bali and most Indonesian social media activity seems opposed to the governor's actions. Football fans in indonesia are fuming that they have lost the u-20 World Cup due to his actions. The federal government won't be happy either, having spent millions on stadium upgrades.
Argentina are apparently interested in hosting it, even though they didn't qualify, probably going to be quite a tough battle to win out against Qatar though if they’re also interested.
Three other countries are joining Argentina as possibilities to host the u-20's according to this Spain and Latin America (Spanish language) sports site: Qatar, Peru and the USA: https://as.com/futbol/internacional/argentina-peru-y-qatar-posibles-sedes-para-acoger-el-mundial-sub-20-n/ Google Translate: Three countries have already knocked on Gianni Infantino's door to take over from the Asian nation . Of course, the organization must be done on time since the idea of the organization is that the contest begins on May 20.
Argentina has been one of the first countries to apply as the potential organizer of the tournament. 'Chiqui' Tapia, president of the AFA, would have offered Infantino to Argentina as a venue after proclaiming himself world champion in the Qatar 2022 World Cup. If they took the U-20 to Lionel Messi's country, the Albiceleste trained by Javier Mascherano would get the long-awaited ticket for the contest after not having achieved it during the South American U-20 tournament, where he would not even make it to the final phase.
From South America another country would seek to take over from Indonesia, Peru . CNN Indonesia reportedly revealed FIFA's idea of holding the tournament in the Andean country a few days ago. "FIFA decided that Peru is the replacement for the host ," said Yesayas Oktavianus, former administrator of the PSSI (Indonesian Federation). The Peruvian Football Federation (FPF) will be in charge of hosting the U-17 World Cup next November, so the infrastructure would already be half done.
In addition to the South Americans, Qatar have also tried to convince FIFA to host the World Cup there. The great advantage that it would run in favor of the Qataris would be due to having hosted the 2022 World Cup just three months ago, so the infrastructure would not be a problem. However, the high temperatures that would be reached in the country during the month of May would put the health of the athletes at risk , they do not drop below 22ºC and reach 43ºC. The United States would be the last country to have entered this time trial for the U-20 World Cup. The Americans will host the next World Cup in 2026, so being able to organize the contest would be the first litmus test to be able to catalog the demands of a tournament that could receive millions of foreigners in the country.
5 weeks til the tournament, still no host nation and no naming of squad yet.
But here is a rumour, Noah K from the Weenix is off. Has a contract offer from Europe, but is waiting to see how he goes at the WC before signing.
Has made the bench a lot, but yet to make A League debut. Hell of a dribbler.
Well that's awesome if he has got something lined up overseas. Especially if he is going to try his luck in the hotbed of Europe. Good on him.
He can't sit around forever waiting for his shot with the Nix. I seriously thought he would have had his A-League debut by now, but as a club we seem to have shunned mixing youth into our setup this season which is a little bit of a let down if I'm being honest.
5 weeks til the tournament, still no host nation and no naming of squad yet.
But here is a rumour, Noah K from the Weenix is off. Has a contract offer from Europe, but is waiting to see how he goes at the WC before signing.
Has made the bench a lot, but yet to make A League debut. Hell of a dribbler.
Well that's awesome if he has got something lined up overseas. Especially if he is going to try his luck in the hotbed of Europe. Good on him.
He can't sit around forever waiting for his shot with the Nix. I seriously thought he would have had his A-League debut by now, but as a club we seem to have shunned mixing youth into our setup this season which is a little bit of a let down if I'm being honest.
Young enough to slot into a youth team like Garbett. Honestly reckon 16-19 is the best age to head to Europe unless you're an elite player like Libby who can step into a first xi straight away.
5 weeks til the tournament, still no host nation and no naming of squad yet.
But here is a rumour, Noah K from the Weenix is off. Has a contract offer from Europe, but is waiting to see how he goes at the WC before signing.
Has made the bench a lot, but yet to make A League debut. Hell of a dribbler.
Well that's awesome if he has got something lined up overseas. Especially if he is going to try his luck in the hotbed of Europe. Good on him.
He can't sit around forever waiting for his shot with the Nix. I seriously thought he would have had his A-League debut by now, but as a club we seem to have shunned mixing youth into our setup this season which is a little bit of a let down if I'm being honest.
Talay has always been a bit averse to rotation, it's just that the last couple seasons he had his hand forced through injuries and covid. I'm sure we all would've been surprised being told at the end of last season that Surman would have only 148 minutes through 22 games in what was supposed to be his breakout season this season. I think he even gave Nikko Boxall that one minute sub the other week just so he wouldn't leave without ever playing.
If you look at Karunaratne's position as a wide ten, only Sasse isn't contracted for next season and even he has an option clause so could well be around. He might get a run if there are injuries, possibly this week with Old out, but that's the only chance I see.
Would be interesting to see where he goes if he does. Europe is very disparate in it's levels, so just simply going to Europe could really entail any level of quality. I do slightly worry he could be a bit one-dimensional to get a high level Euro gig, he carries the ball well and positions his body well to draw fouls - he was the most fouled U22 NZ forward in the National League - but lacks the end product that takes you to the next level.
In the National League last year he failed to score or assist and only had 0.15 xG/A per 90, which was the lowest among U22 NZ wide forwards to play 300 minutes in either the National League or NCAA Division 1 last year, per Wyscout. Even in Central League he only scored once and he didn't score in the OFC U19s. For reference Jesse Randall had seven goals and nine assists averaging 0.87 xG and 0.33 xA a game in the National League and even he didn't get the League One gig.
That'll only improve with playing proper senior football, so hopefully it'd not be too ambitious a step. That could mean going lower tier Nordic if need be, which is the current flavour of the month after all.
If it is an offer from just a lower tier Scandi club, why not just wait until after the U20 WC, to see how that goes for him.
But another of the factors why this Nix season has been a touch uninspiring. Now that Waine has gone, no exciting young Kiwi player providing the assists or goals. That along with no Davila type visa player, does make it seem a bit dull at times.
As I think Rollo tweeted, Adelaide this season have the perfect mix. A proper rectangular stadium, some quality visa players, a Socceroo hero in Goodwin and some very exciting home grown young talent.
5 weeks til the tournament, still no host nation and no naming of squad yet.
But here is a rumour, Noah K from the Weenix is off. Has a contract offer from Europe, but is waiting to see how he goes at the WC before signing.
Has made the bench a lot, but yet to make A League debut. Hell of a dribbler.
Well that's awesome if he has got something lined up overseas. Especially if he is going to try his luck in the hotbed of Europe. Good on him.
He can't sit around forever waiting for his shot with the Nix. I seriously thought he would have had his A-League debut by now, but as a club we seem to have shunned mixing youth into our setup this season which is a little bit of a let down if I'm being honest.
our 'promising young players' are all aged at least 20, apart from finn surman who is the team baby at 19
Having been awarded the hosting rights to the tournament, Argentina will compete in the event in place of Indonesia. Argentina is the most successful nation in the history of the FIFA U-20 World Cup, having won the tournament six times, most recently in 2007. The country also hosted the competition in 2001.
Following the confirmation of the new hosts, the Official Draw of the FIFA U-20 World Cup 2023™ will take place on Friday 21 April at the Home of FIFA in Zurich. Further details will be provided in due course.
Garbett to make it. From what I have heard, there was a fair level of shock he didn't make the initial squad and pretty much made all the u20 fullbacks look 2nd rate. Given his success in Italy, he'd be hard to leave out.
A front four (1 and 3) of Donkers up top with Garbett, Herdman and Karunatane playing in front of him is pretty tasty in terms of skills and movement IMO.
Garbett to make it. From what I have heard, there was a fair level of shock he didn't make the initial squad and pretty much made all the u20 fullbacks look 2nd rate. Given his success in Italy, he'd be hard to leave out.
A front four (1 and 3) of Donkers up top with Garbett, Herdman and Karunatane playing in front of him is pretty tasty in terms of skills and movement IMO.
What has Garbett achieved in Italy? I could be wrong but don't think he is playing at a particularly high standard. Certainly achieved next to nothing in Cap Prem and Central League when local....maybe two or three goals over two seasons! Surname will help though!
Didn't someone make contact with Matt Dibley-Dias's (AM on youth books at Fulham) parents, and they responded he was keen to make himself available for the U20s?
Lower Hutt-born player signed his first professional football contract with London club Fulham this year.
When signing him, Fulham development manager Huw Jennings said Dibley-Dias had “the skill of a Brazilian and the strength of a New Zealand rugby player’’ – and had secured a three-year deal English Championship club.
Dibley-Dias is eligible to represent four countries – New Zealand, Brazil, Portugal and England.
His profile on Fulham’s website says the central midfielder “chose his international allegiance as Brazil at the start of the 2021-22 season’’.
His grandfather Manoel José Dias (dubbed Manoelzinho) averaged a goal every two games for leading Brazilian clubs Flamengo and Corinthians in the 1960s.
While Dibley-Dias has said “the dream is to play for the Brazilian national team’’ is his ultimate goal, his immediate future is with Fulham.
Didn't someone make contact with Matt Dibley-Dias's (AM on youth books at Fulham) parents, and they responded he was keen to make himself available for the U20s?
If so and he ticks all the eligibity boxes, he'd have to be picked you'd think.
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His parents are keen to see him play for New Zealand, but he has not indicated/committed either way presently. His mum is a very smart lady, she's also up to date and familiar with all the goings on at NZF. Whether that goes for or against us on the old 'Pros' & 'Cons' list I'll let you all decide. 😂
NZF have been in contact previously, but apparently nothing of note lately. Although he had been out with injury recently, he is back playing now.
I'll flick her a message and see if I can dig up some info. Now that the World Cup is in South America, perhaps that'll tug at his heart strings a little more and give him a bit of incentive to come on board.
Fair call on the standard he is at in Italy, but probably still better than what he would be challenged with here in NZ?
Not prolific when here in NZ, but neither is Karunatane (spelling sorry). He had no goals or assists last year for the Wee Nix, but I don't think anyone is doubting his ability.
I don't know Garbett personally, merely relaying the thoughts of age group parents who saw the local training sessions and were all pretty shocked by his omission.JUSTSAYING
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Garbett to make it. From what I have heard, there was a fair level of shock he didn't make the initial squad and pretty much made all the u20 fullbacks look 2nd rate. Given his success in Italy, he'd be hard to leave out.
A front four (1 and 3) of Donkers up top with Garbett, Herdman and Karunatane playing in front of him is pretty tasty in terms of skills and movement IMO.
What has Garbett achieved in Italy? I could be wrong but don't think he is playing at a particularly high standard. Certainly achieved next to nothing in Cap Prem and Central League when local....maybe two or three goals over two seasons! Surname will help though!
Fair call on the standard he is at in Italy, but probably still better than what he would be challenged with here in NZ?
Not prolific when here in NZ, but neither is Karunatane (spelling sorry). He had no goals or assists last year for the Wee Nix, but I don't think anyone is doubting his ability.
I don't know Garbett personally, merely relaying the thoughts of age group parents who saw the local training sessions and were all pretty shocked by his omission.JUSTSAYING
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Garbett to make it. From what I have heard, there was a fair level of shock he didn't make the initial squad and pretty much made all the u20 fullbacks look 2nd rate. Given his success in Italy, he'd be hard to leave out.
A front four (1 and 3) of Donkers up top with Garbett, Herdman and Karunatane playing in front of him is pretty tasty in terms of skills and movement IMO.
What has Garbett achieved in Italy? I could be wrong but don't think he is playing at a particularly high standard. Certainly achieved next to nothing in Cap Prem and Central League when local....maybe two or three goals over two seasons! Surname will help though!
I travelled to watch the All Whites at MtSmart and managed to catch the second half of NZ 23s game when Karunatane came on. I thought he was very one paced and very basic in play. Maybe that suits a team somwhere but to be honest i thought he was your average joe. Good on him if hes got some where. probably works hard at his trade.
Let’s hope NZF are smart and non biased with their squad selection and there is a good balance of local and o/seas based players (US colleges/USL, foreign clubs) and not just saturated with Weenix players who have only been playing in the Central League which has slowly digressed over the last 2yrs years, potentially due to lots of players leaving our shores to seek better football opportunities. I think that some players that I saw during OFC qualifiers will really struggle against quality international opposition due to a lack of game quality in NZ and including against the likes of Oceania and China. I would like to see NZF looking to arrange more games against quality opposition to help with the development of NZ football.
