Kevin Fallon

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Whilst looking for an article by the late Russell "Rusty" Gray about Ken Dugdale, I found this article on Kevin Fallon. I found it quite interesting. love him, loathe him, there is just something about the man, you just want to meet him and find out.

Kevin Fallon

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Leggy
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I've met him many times and played against him a few and on points out of 10 he would rank about 3.

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Leggy wrote:

I've met him many times and played against him a few and on points out of 10 he would rank about 3.

Points allocated for...?

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Leggy wrote:

I've met him many times and played against him a few and on points out of 10 he would rank about 3.

Points allocated for...?

A human being. 

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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The image of the old guy in a flasher style long coat standing behind the seating at DPark will be with me forever.

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Leggy wrote:

Leggy wrote:

I've met him many times and played against him a few and on points out of 10 he would rank about 3.

Points allocated for...?

A human being. 

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I think 3 out of 10 might be a bit generous. Those of us around the National league in the 70's and 80's probably all have our memories of his behaviour - Billy Harris (the infamous Chicken and Chips episode) , David Chote (not fit to lace Paul Thompsons boots ) , and Grant Turner (goaded into smashing Fallons car lights at North Shore). Having said that he was successful at Nelson United (Chatham Cup) and Gisborne (National League ), but not a lot after the early /mid 80's. What annoys me most is him being wheeled out for comment by the media - is always negative.

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can you describe the chicken and chips thing?

That sounds interesting 

but I am biased as Billy Harris coached my daughter at 8 yrs and he was very good 

And leggy I'm interested in knowing the rating you would give yourself - for comparison reasons 

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can you describe the chicken and chips thing?

That sounds interesting 

but I am biased as Billy Harris coached my daughter at 8 yrs and he was very good 

And leggy I'm interested in knowing the rating you would give yourself - for comparison reasons 

I went to watch a game at Ireland Rd where Mt Wellington played, There was an elderly Scottish gentleman with a walking stick standing a few metres from me and he was giving Kevin Fallon heaps through the game. Fallon came over to him and said if you keep this up I will beat the crap out of you after the game, or words to this effect.He was just a big bully.

I don't have any anti him re his football knowledge, although he was a bully as well. 

As for rating me, as a human being I am a 10.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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A bit of background to our younger readers. Billy Harris and Fallon fell out over Billy criticising Chicken and Chips as a pre match meal when Fallon was coaching NZ. A few years later Fallon picked Paul Thompson over his Miramar team mate David Chote (1988 I think) in the All Whites and in response to querying of the selection ( I think by the Miramar coach Tommy Heptinstall ) stated that Chote was not fit to lace Thompsons boots. The Grant Turner incident happened in 1987 when Fallon goaded Turner at Allen Hill so much that Turner smashed Fallons headlights and got about a 6 match ban (I think). I think Leggys description of a bully is very apt. Can't dispute that he had his successes but they were in the 1970-80's and a bit like Graeme Lowe with league I'm always puzzled that he is wheeled out for comment all the time. 

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Bully is polite. Fudgewit is more accurate

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Grant Turner was of course, no Angel

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chubbs wrote:

A bit of background to our younger readers. Billy Harris and Fallon fell out over Billy criticising Chicken and Chips as a pre match meal when Fallon was coaching NZ. A few years later Fallon picked Paul Thompson over his Miramar team mate David Chote (1988 I think) in the All Whites and in response to querying of the selection ( I think by the Miramar coach Tommy Heptinstall ) stated that Chote was not fit to lace Thompsons boots. The Grant Turner incident happened in 1987 when Fallon goaded Turner at Allen Hill so much that Turner smashed Fallons headlights and got about a 6 match ban (I think). I think Leggys description of a bully is very apt. Can't dispute that he had his successes but they were in the 1970-80's and a bit like Graeme Lowe with league I'm always puzzled that he is wheeled out for comment all the time. 

you missed him getting sacked from Gisborne City for an altercation (ie he thumped him) with Ken Dugdale back in 1974!

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Those who played for Kev tended to have a huge amount of respect for him. Was absolutely no nonsense, but you listened to him and backed his decisions 100%. His coaching ability is shown clearly through the number of New Zealands premier footballers that have played for him

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ColeWorld wrote:

Those who played for Kev tended to have a huge amount of respect for him. Was absolutely no nonsense, but you listened to him and backed his decisions 100%. His coaching ability is shown clearly through the number of New Zealands premier footballers that have played for him

I don't know if being a good coach makes up for being a shark human being though. I also have my doubts that its the most effective managerial style, but it obviosuly works/ed for him.

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Nelfoos wrote:

ColeWorld wrote:

Those who played for Kev tended to have a huge amount of respect for him. Was absolutely no nonsense, but you listened to him and backed his decisions 100%. His coaching ability is shown clearly through the number of New Zealands premier footballers that have played for him

I don't know if being a good coach makes up for being a shark human being though. I also have my doubts that its the most effective managerial style, but it obviosuly works/ed for him.

I played under Kevin for a number of years and disagree with that statement. I’d be curious to know what encounters you’ve actually had with him that shape this perception? Or is it the typical observation from the New Zealand football community who hear all these stories from people who don’t like Fallon, largely I assume because he and his teams have been very successful. You don’t hear these complaints when he loses. I do agree he’s had his share of controversies, but many are misconstrued and many are not very factual. Also it may not be the most liked managerial style, but no doubt he has had a considerable amount of success and produced some very good talents. 

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I find Kevin Fallon very interesting, he is undoubtedly a great coach, Chatham Cup with Nelson United, National League with Gisborne City (almost the double), NZ 1982, MAGS, Manukau these last couple of years and there have been a huge number of top kiwi footballers who he has come into contact with and usually more often than not helped improve and go on to better things.

He does however have a dark side, which has been mentioned in the incidents above and also in the article that Lonegunman posted originally (ie why he was allegedly sacked by MAGS). 

I personally have met him once and he was very amicable, but I have a good friend whom I cannot mention Kevin's name in the presence of as he was once very publicly humiliated by him and it still hurts him alot (and this was 10-15 years ago!)

a few years ago I heard Fallon on National Radio with Jim Mora and was quite surprised by how he came across and also the topics he talked about, it was miles away from the rough Yorkshire bully image that had been conjured in my head from his reported antics in NZ Football

I think the guy is actually a very complex character, he's one of those guys that people either love or hate. But whatever it has he has made a massive contribution to NZ football and I think is quite a genuine guy and NZ football is richer for him being involved

He writes a weekly blog on facebook (he has apparently written a weekly diary for most of his life) which is pretty interesting, whether or not you like him it's definitely worth a read

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One of the arts of being a good boss/manager whether in sport or in the workplace, is recognising the different personalities of your 'team'. Some people handle being say shouted at better than others - though surely no one likes it.

Don't know Falloon from a bar of soap, but remember a few of those infamous incidents from the past. Being described as a bully seems pretty constant. Journey Fan talks of his friend being very publicly humiliated by Falloon, and how it still hurts. Off topic, but my brother was bullied severely at high school, and 30 years later I still think he has scars from that.

Falloon may have done good things for NZ football, but if you have a bullying personality you are a selfish arsehole - and should be called out for it, no matter what else you achieve.

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with the interview I posted above, he could not have been more friendly, helpful and engaging that day - shared every story, didn't baulk from answering any questions, no matter how uncomfortable.  We spoke for over 2 hours, and even though quite a bit wasn't broadcast-able (!) it was a great interview.


At the end, he went a bit sombre, and then explained in an hour's time he had to go to a meeting with the MAGS principal... which I guess was the start of the scenario laid out above...

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