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AlfStamp
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We do have quite possibly the best keeper in the world, or if not she must be top 3. Unbelievable save then.

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Nayler has been amazing!

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 

I'm positive things will go wrong.

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Says something about our attacking options when you're one nil down and bring on a centre back. Knocking it long all day played to Canada's strengths. 

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Just shows the technical ability of some of our players in key positions and how the quality of Womens game keeps growing further from the players we have. The mens teams used to be like this until the Phoenix and Ole started producing players that were comfortable in possesion. It might take a while until we see the results of female footballers getting the Ole or Phoenix type treatment that our male players recieved.

Canada were a class above, hopefully we can score some goals in the next game.

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Sancho wrote:

Just shows the technical ability of some of our players in key positions and how the quality of Womens game keeps growing further from the players we have. The mens teams used to be like this until the Phoenix and Ole started producing players that were comfortable in possesion. It might take a while until we see the results of female footballers getting the Ole or Phoenix type treatment that our male players recieved.

Canada were a class above, hopefully we can score some goals in the next game.

Sorry I take issue with this. It seems to be a common theme in here these days and I know this is a Phoenix forum but there is a point where fandom gets daft. 

Our improvement in terms of our players technical ability is due to a number of different factors and a wide range of coaches from one end of the country to the other. Coach education has improved rapidly over the last 15 years from what it used to be and there has been a collective lifting in standards.

Also and Im sure some who have never coached will disagree but the most important ages with respect to technical ability are 5 to 14 and thats where the majority of the groundwork is done. 

Our improvements are not because of one or two "finishing" academies.

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Ole fanboys really are the absolute worst.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Sancho wrote:

Just shows the technical ability of some of our players in key positions and how the quality of Womens game keeps growing further from the players we have. The mens teams used to be like this until the Phoenix and Ole started producing players that were comfortable in possesion. It might take a while until we see the results of female footballers getting the Ole or Phoenix type treatment that our male players recieved.

Canada were a class above, hopefully we can score some goals in the next game.

I didn’t catch the Holland game but I couldn’t help thinking while watching today’s game that we look to be in danger of being overtaken by the rest of the world women’s game. I noticed in a couple of other games I saw (not involving us) that the quality of some of the players and teams were exceptional. When there weren’t that many quality women’s teams, we held our own on the world stage but I get the feeling it’s slipping. I’m not a great follower of women’s football so am I mistaken?
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Sancho wrote:

Just shows the technical ability of some of our players in key positions and how the quality of Womens game keeps growing further from the players we have. The mens teams used to be like this until the Phoenix and Ole started producing players that were comfortable in possesion. It might take a while until we see the results of female footballers getting the Ole or Phoenix type treatment that our male players recieved.

Canada were a class above, hopefully we can score some goals in the next game.

I didn’t catch the Holland game but I couldn’t help thinking while watching today’s game that we look to be in danger of being overtaken by the rest of the world women’s game. I noticed in a couple of other games I saw (not involving us) that the quality of some of the players and teams were exceptional. When there weren’t that many quality women’s teams, we held our own on the world stage but I get the feeling it’s slipping. I’m not a great follower of women’s football so am I mistaken?

No you're not...

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Canada were too good, too fast. We did well to defend for so long, but just not able to hold the ball up to get some passing going. We spent all our energy defending, so nothing left to provide options when we had the ball. 
I thought Stott did very well.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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Ray Hicks wrote:

[/quote]I didn’t catch the Holland game but I couldn’t help thinking while watching today’s game that we look to be in danger of being overtaken by the rest of the world women’s game. I noticed in a couple of other games I saw (not involving us) that the quality of some of the players and teams were exceptional. When there weren’t that many quality women’s teams, we held our own on the world stage but I get the feeling it’s slipping. I’m not a great follower of women’s football so am I mistaken?

No you're not...

I wonder if we are seeing the usual major nations starting to become dominant in womens football as well now.  We have had 10-15 years of doing really well relative to the state of the womens international team but many countries until relatively recently didnt take womens football seriously. I wonder if the grassroots level resources available in the usual main football nations is starting to kick in and womens football starts to grab some traction there. Are we looking at seeing our Womens team start to slide backwards slowly toward a similar standing as the AW's have? I think given the rapid growth of the womens game worldwide we are going to need some clever and innovative changes to our womens/girls grassroots games processes and setup. For a long time I have felt the womens side of the game here was showing the way, now Im wondering if what we saw with the mens U20 if the pendulum has swung.

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Not many youngsters in that Ferns line up. Needs Next Gen 

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AlfStamp wrote:

Ray Hicks wrote:

[/quote]I didn’t catch the Holland game but I couldn’t help thinking while watching today’s game that we look to be in danger of being overtaken by the rest of the world women’s game. I noticed in a couple of other games I saw (not involving us) that the quality of some of the players and teams were exceptional. When there weren’t that many quality women’s teams, we held our own on the world stage but I get the feeling it’s slipping. I’m not a great follower of women’s football so am I mistaken?

No you're not...

I wonder if we are seeing the usual major nations starting to become dominant in womens football as well now.  We have had 10-15 years of doing really well relative to the state of the womens international team but many countries until relatively recently didnt take womens football seriously. I wonder if the grassroots level resources available in the usual main football nations is starting to kick in and womens football starts to grab some traction there. Are we looking at seeing our Womens team start to slide backwards slowly toward a similar standing as the AW's have? I think given the rapid growth of the womens game worldwide we are going to need some clever and innovative changes to our womens/girls grassroots games processes and setup. For a long time I have felt the womens side of the game here was showing the way, now Im wondering if what we saw with the mens U20 if the pendulum has swung.

You are exactly right: This has been coming for a while. More and more countries with greater finances, participation numbers etc are prioritizing Women's football. For example, In the last 10 years Women's football in Europe has exploded. How long before the South Americans stop dicking around and get serious? They don't like losing or being also rans in any football, so expect them to make major efforts to improve. Unfortunately, as a result, teams like NZ are on the slide...

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Canada played pretty good. When we had the ball, passing accuracy, 1st touch and winning second ball was sub standard. According the the importance of the game this was overall very disappointing. Some credits for not giving up.

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AlfStamp wrote:

Sancho wrote:

Just shows the technical ability of some of our players in key positions and how the quality of Womens game keeps growing further from the players we have. The mens teams used to be like this until the Phoenix and Ole started producing players that were comfortable in possesion. It might take a while until we see the results of female footballers getting the Ole or Phoenix type treatment that our male players recieved.

Canada were a class above, hopefully we can score some goals in the next game.

Sorry I take issue with this. It seems to be a common theme in here these days and I know this is a Phoenix forum but there is a point where fandom gets daft. 

Our improvement in terms of our players technical ability is due to a number of different factors and a wide range of coaches from one end of the country to the other. Coach education has improved rapidly over the last 15 years from what it used to be and there has been a collective lifting in standards.

Also and Im sure some who have never coached will disagree but the most important ages with respect to technical ability are 5 to 14 and thats where the majority of the groundwork is done. 

Our improvements are not because of one or two "finishing" academies.

Ummmm. But based on the way the U20s men played, verus FFs this morning, would seem that the mens/boys programme is starting to produce more technical players, than the girls/womens setups. Of course far too early to say for sure.

One glaring difference between boys & girls programmes currently now is the academies. No girls at the Nix, and only a very small number I understand at Ole. 

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How did the girls under 17s [was it?] play when they came 3rd in their world cup?

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How did the girls under 17s [was it?] play when they came 3rd in their world cup?

Different to U20s boys.

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coochiee wrote:

AlfStamp wrote:

Sancho wrote:

Just shows the technical ability of some of our players in key positions and how the quality of Womens game keeps growing further from the players we have. The mens teams used to be like this until the Phoenix and Ole started producing players that were comfortable in possesion. It might take a while until we see the results of female footballers getting the Ole or Phoenix type treatment that our male players recieved.

Canada were a class above, hopefully we can score some goals in the next game.

Sorry I take issue with this. It seems to be a common theme in here these days and I know this is a Phoenix forum but there is a point where fandom gets daft. 

Our improvement in terms of our players technical ability is due to a number of different factors and a wide range of coaches from one end of the country to the other. Coach education has improved rapidly over the last 15 years from what it used to be and there has been a collective lifting in standards.

Also and Im sure some who have never coached will disagree but the most important ages with respect to technical ability are 5 to 14 and thats where the majority of the groundwork is done. 

Our improvements are not because of one or two "finishing" academies.

Ummmm. But based on the way the U20s men played, verus FFs this morning, would seem that the mens/boys programme is starting to produce more technical players, than the girls/womens setups. Of course far too early to say for sure.

One glaring difference between boys & girls programmes currently now is the academies. No girls at the Nix, and only a very small number I understand at Ole. 

EXCEPT that the U20 men’s were, er, under 20 years old  

Whereas the Football Ferns had how many players under 20 on the pitch? One?

You’re comparing apples and oranges. 

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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Global Game wrote:

coochiee wrote:

AlfStamp wrote:

Sancho wrote:

Just shows the technical ability of some of our players in key positions and how the quality of Womens game keeps growing further from the players we have. The mens teams used to be like this until the Phoenix and Ole started producing players that were comfortable in possesion. It might take a while until we see the results of female footballers getting the Ole or Phoenix type treatment that our male players recieved.

Canada were a class above, hopefully we can score some goals in the next game.

Sorry I take issue with this. It seems to be a common theme in here these days and I know this is a Phoenix forum but there is a point where fandom gets daft. 

Our improvement in terms of our players technical ability is due to a number of different factors and a wide range of coaches from one end of the country to the other. Coach education has improved rapidly over the last 15 years from what it used to be and there has been a collective lifting in standards.

Also and Im sure some who have never coached will disagree but the most important ages with respect to technical ability are 5 to 14 and thats where the majority of the groundwork is done. 

Our improvements are not because of one or two "finishing" academies.

Ummmm. But based on the way the U20s men played, verus FFs this morning, would seem that the mens/boys programme is starting to produce more technical players, than the girls/womens setups. Of course far too early to say for sure.

One glaring difference between boys & girls programmes currently now is the academies. No girls at the Nix, and only a very small number I understand at Ole. 

EXCEPT that the U20 men’s were, er, under 20 years old  

Whereas the Football Ferns had how many players under 20 on the pitch? One?

You’re comparing apples and oranges. 

Yeah did qualify my comments by saying too early to say for sure.

But if the increased skill/technical level of the men's U20s side was solely due to NZF's programmes, plus all the various junior coaches countrywide - and had little or nothing to do with Weenix & Ole - why ain't a similar crop of young talented female technical footballers starting to shine. 

If they were around Sermanni would be playing a few of them for sure.

Expect a bit of a generational change when Schmid names his next AWs squad, on the back of the U20s. He's alluded to it already.

NZF's Whole of Football Plan was released in 2011, 8 years ago now.  A great initiative, but you can't dismiss the academies as not having also played a major role with performance of the U20s.

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Forget any end result. Statistics generally show the stronger team. But in football not necessarily the wining team.. 

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coochiee wrote:

Global Game wrote:

coochiee wrote:

AlfStamp wrote:

Sancho wrote:

Just shows the technical ability of some of our players in key positions and how the quality of Womens game keeps growing further from the players we have. The mens teams used to be like this until the Phoenix and Ole started producing players that were comfortable in possesion. It might take a while until we see the results of female footballers getting the Ole or Phoenix type treatment that our male players recieved.

Canada were a class above, hopefully we can score some goals in the next game.

Sorry I take issue with this. It seems to be a common theme in here these days and I know this is a Phoenix forum but there is a point where fandom gets daft. 

Our improvement in terms of our players technical ability is due to a number of different factors and a wide range of coaches from one end of the country to the other. Coach education has improved rapidly over the last 15 years from what it used to be and there has been a collective lifting in standards.

Also and Im sure some who have never coached will disagree but the most important ages with respect to technical ability are 5 to 14 and thats where the majority of the groundwork is done. 

Our improvements are not because of one or two "finishing" academies.

Ummmm. But based on the way the U20s men played, verus FFs this morning, would seem that the mens/boys programme is starting to produce more technical players, than the girls/womens setups. Of course far too early to say for sure.

One glaring difference between boys & girls programmes currently now is the academies. No girls at the Nix, and only a very small number I understand at Ole. 

EXCEPT that the U20 men’s were, er, under 20 years old  

Whereas the Football Ferns had how many players under 20 on the pitch? One?

You’re comparing apples and oranges. 

Yeah did qualify my comments by saying too early to say for sure.

But if the increased skill/technical level of the men's U20s side was solely due to NZF's programmes, plus all the various junior coaches countrywide - and had little or nothing to do with Weenix & Ole - why ain't a similar crop of young talented female technical footballers starting to shine. 

If they were around Sermanni would be playing a few of them for sure.

Expect a bit of a generational change when Schmid names his next AWs squad, on the back of the U20s. He's alluded to it already.

NZF's Whole of Football Plan was released in 2011, 8 years ago now.  A great initiative, but you can't dismiss the academies as not having also played a major role with performance of the U20s.

One factor is more limited quantity of quality competition in the women’s game. This is why the Future Ferns Development Programme (an academy if you like) was established. Girls playing in boys leagues and a focus on getting them into pro environments offshore ASAP - with the assistance of NZF. But it’s only been up and running since 2015?

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