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el grapadura wrote:

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It's NZF. Dysfunction is the key operating requirement.

isn't covid cost cutting essential?

The Des situation came up well before Covid.

I'd cut Hay before I cut Des.

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el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

It's NZF. Dysfunction is the key operating requirement.

isn't covid cost cutting essential?

The Des situation came up well before Covid.

In what way exactly? Not saying it hasn't, just curious what you mean.

If Hay and/or others at NZF are actively undermining Buckingham, trying to get him moved on, that's plain wrong and BS. 

But if NZF are low on cash, and have a current U23 (really now U24) coach who is going to be doing squat for the next 6 months - well then that's a financial decision. I see Readings the now U17s gaffer will be effectively job sharing between NZF and Eastern Suburbs. Where else could Des work. ACFC? Back to the Nix for a time?

Anyway from a purely workload reason, Hay shouldn't be given the Olympics job. 

Next year his focus should be solely the AWs. Probably every FIFA window now in 2021 will be busy with OFC qualifiers (certainly if none are played later this year). Also sometime in 2021 OFC's opponent for the intercontinental playoffs in March 2022 will be confirmed. Hay will be busy enough preparing for all that in 2021. Tokyo would be an unnecessary distraction.

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NZF are always low on cash, thanks to their mis-management of any funds they've received from the 2 WC appearances etc.

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coochiee wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

It's NZF. Dysfunction is the key operating requirement.

isn't covid cost cutting essential?

The Des situation came up well before Covid.

In what way exactly? Not saying it hasn't, just curious what you mean.

If Hay and/or others at NZF are actively undermining Buckingham, trying to get him moved on, that's plain wrong and BS. 

But if NZF are low on cash, and have a current U23 (really now U24) coach who is going to be doing squat for the next 6 months - well then that's a financial decision. I see Readings the now U17s gaffer will be effectively job sharing between NZF and Eastern Suburbs. Where else could Des work. ACFC? Back to the Nix for a time?

Anyway from a purely workload reason, Hay shouldn't be given the Olympics job. 

Next year his focus should be solely the AWs. Probably every FIFA window now in 2021 will be busy with OFC qualifiers (certainly if none are played later this year). Also sometime in 2021 OFC's opponent for the intercontinental playoffs in March 2022 will be confirmed. Hay will be busy enough preparing for all that in 2021. Tokyo would be an unnecessary distraction.

Des was replaced as U20 coach before the Covid situation developed. Readings is the new U20 coach, his appointment was made over a month ago in a very quiet and understated manner. In essence, Des is being moved on and his time at NZF is basically at an end. This is why we're seeing the comments coming from the players. 

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el grapadura wrote:

coochiee wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

It's NZF. Dysfunction is the key operating requirement.

isn't covid cost cutting essential?

The Des situation came up well before Covid.

In what way exactly? Not saying it hasn't, just curious what you mean.

If Hay and/or others at NZF are actively undermining Buckingham, trying to get him moved on, that's plain wrong and BS. 

But if NZF are low on cash, and have a current U23 (really now U24) coach who is going to be doing squat for the next 6 months - well then that's a financial decision. I see Readings the now U17s gaffer will be effectively job sharing between NZF and Eastern Suburbs. Where else could Des work. ACFC? Back to the Nix for a time?

Anyway from a purely workload reason, Hay shouldn't be given the Olympics job. 

Next year his focus should be solely the AWs. Probably every FIFA window now in 2021 will be busy with OFC qualifiers (certainly if none are played later this year). Also sometime in 2021 OFC's opponent for the intercontinental playoffs in March 2022 will be confirmed. Hay will be busy enough preparing for all that in 2021. Tokyo would be an unnecessary distraction.

Des was replaced as U20 coach before the Covid situation developed. Readings is the new U20 coach, his appointment was made over a month ago in a very quiet and understated manner. In essence, Des is being moved on and his time at NZF is basically at an end. This is why we're seeing the comments coming from the players. 

Maybe Des has other commitments he made for post Olympics. He would certainly be in demand in some sectors considering his performances with NZ age group teams. And you couldn't blame him after missing out on the AW job if he started looking for post Olympic work opportunities.

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Wow okay, cheers didn't know that. Thought Readings had the U17 gig.

That is disappointing news. 

But yes as Ranix says there is a possibility Buckingham has already got a gig somewhere else, though if that was true would seem the U23 players who wrote the letter weren't aware.

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https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/88261?newsfeedId=760052

The fact that Des was quietly moved on from the U20 job suggests that this is NZF-driven, rather than Des-driven (not to mention the rumour mill on this, which is obviously difficult to verify here).  The U23 situation is a continuation of that.

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NZF are always low on cash, thanks to their mis-management of any funds they've received from the 2 WC appearances etc.

Doubt they got much from FIFA back in 1982!

Basically FIFA's $10M from the 2010 WC, and the Mexican TV rights money from 2013 has bank rolled all women's and men's international programmes for the last 10 years. International Teams Fund - which still has a few million in it I think.

Andrew Martin's payout, and having to spend a bundle on lawyers and reports post the Heraf saga - stand out as 2 financial black holes of recent times. 

Optimistic about Pragnell, but early days.

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el grapadura wrote:

https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/88261?newsfeedId=760052

The fact that Des was quietly moved on from the U20 job suggests that this is NZF-driven, rather than Des-driven (not to mention the rumour mill on this, which is obviously difficult to verify here).  The U23 situation is a continuation of that.

Before anything else, the U-20 job (OFC U-19 Championship in late July) was (pre-Covid-19) incompatible with the U-23 job (Tokyo Olympics in late July).

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el grapadura wrote:

https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/88261?newsfeedId=760052

The fact that Des was quietly moved on from the U20 job suggests that this is NZF-driven, rather than Des-driven (not to mention the rumour mill on this, which is obviously difficult to verify here).  The U23 situation is a continuation of that.

Before anything else, the U-20 job (OFC U-19 Championship in late July) was (pre-Covid-19) incompatible with the U-23 job (Tokyo Olympics in late July).

ok there we go

and was it actually done quietly?

If it is saving $ at this point in time then it HAS to be done

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Is Hay taking a paycut? He's not doing anything right now either.

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el grapadura wrote:

Is Hay taking a paycut? He's not doing anything right now either.

good point. Has anything come out about NZF staff wages?

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coochiee wrote:

theprof wrote:

NZF are always low on cash, thanks to their mis-management of any funds they've received from the 2 WC appearances etc.

Doubt they got much from FIFA back in 1982!

Basically FIFA's $10M from the 2010 WC, and the Mexican TV rights money from 2013 has bank rolled all women's and men's international programmes for the last 10 years. International Teams Fund - which still has a few million in it I think.

Andrew Martin's payout, and having to spend a bundle on lawyers and reports post the Heraf saga - stand out as 2 financial black holes of recent times. 

Optimistic about Pragnell, but early days.

no idea of the figures, but I recall reading some articles about how the money NZF received was largely wasted and not spent on grass roots football as promised. The $10m received from the 2010 funded some great international appearances which is good and has been used to encourage a lot of new footballers - the trouble has been the money that has been wasted paying out CEOs etc has effectively meant NZF is broke and can't fund us to get to any more big tourneys.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Is Hay taking a paycut? He's not doing anything right now either.

good point. Has anything come out about NZF staff wages?

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Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Is Hay taking a paycut? He's not doing anything right now either.

good point. Has anything come out about NZF staff wages?

The last time I spoke to Andrew Pragnell, he had no information to offer about whether NZ Football had asked staff to take paycuts.

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Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Is Hay taking a paycut? He's not doing anything right now either.

good point. Has anything come out about NZF staff wages?

The last time I spoke to Andrew Pragnell, he had no information to offer about whether NZ Football had asked staff to take paycuts.

Cap Football has been transparent to stakeholders about theirs. Make sure we all withhold our affiliation fee until we hear from them..

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New Zealand Football has received about $288,000 for 41 employees according to the Work and Income website.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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el grapadura wrote:

Is Hay taking a paycut? He's not doing anything right now either.

With the schedule the AWs have had over the last few years being in lockdown shouldn't have had any impact.

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Later this week, NZ U20/U23 Head Coach, Des Buckingham, is set to lead a webinar on ‘Team Culture’ for the AUFC Academy coaches who have been completing regular Coach Education sessions with Hiroshi Miyazawa.

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theprof wrote:

coochiee wrote:

theprof wrote:

NZF are always low on cash, thanks to their mis-management of any funds they've received from the 2 WC appearances etc.

Doubt they got much from FIFA back in 1982!

Basically FIFA's $10M from the 2010 WC, and the Mexican TV rights money from 2013 has bank rolled all women's and men's international programmes for the last 10 years. International Teams Fund - which still has a few million in it I think.

Andrew Martin's payout, and having to spend a bundle on lawyers and reports post the Heraf saga - stand out as 2 financial black holes of recent times. 

Optimistic about Pragnell, but early days.

no idea of the figures, but I recall reading some articles about how the money NZF received was largely wasted and not spent on grass roots football as promised. The $10m received from the 2010 funded some great international appearances which is good and has been used to encourage a lot of new footballers - the trouble has been the money that has been wasted paying out CEOs etc has effectively meant NZF is broke and can't fund us to get to any more big tourneys.

its not been completely wasted they used a sizeable chunk of it to set up the NZ Football Foundation and that does provide money for grassroots football

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