Effecting Change at NZF

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ladies and gentlemen lets get control of our game her in NZ. Lets get Kiwi's running our game not some rugby plonker who obviously knows nothing about the game. All of the present coaching staff need to go and i mean Heraf, Schmid Turnbull Buckingham Jose Temple the whole F...king lot i really do feel sorry for those Kiwi coaches who have put in the hard work to get their badges and not get a look in.Beazley and Emblem will be back soon how's Martin going to fit two more arse lickers in. I hope this new board member Ormond has the balls to make the big calls that the game here needs.All this bad press is killing the beautiful game here in beautiful NZ

Turnbull IS a kiwi coach who has put in the hard work

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Jose may have originally come from the UK, but he has done the hard yards here as well. Came to NZ about 15 years ago I think. Besides, the problem is the obsession with Pro Licenses to the very top jobs, which automatically rules out any local coaches because the OFC/NZF Pro License still only exists in theory. That's how we end up with a guy like Heraf who doesn't get the kiwi psyche.

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Jose may have originally come from the UK, but he has done the hard yards here as well. Came to NZ about 15 years ago I think. Besides, the problem is the obsession with Pro Licenses to the very top jobs, which automatically rules out any local coaches because the OFC/NZF Pro License still only exists in theory. That's how we end up with a guy like Heraf who doesn't get the kiwi psyche.

That's what the Nix did last season and look how well that went. Maybe time to look closer to home for our top coaches, although I think Schmid might turn out to be okay and an exception to that rule. 

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I don't really buy in to the 'kiwi psyche' thing. We're not the only people in the world who prefer to at least say that we will do our best no matter what the odds. I think in the case of both Kalezic and Heraf it's simply coaching style and perhaps coaching ability too

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I'm not saying we're completely unique, but as a pretty limited country in a lot of ways we have invested a lot into the idea that we can compete in the sporting world. I don't think I can ever recall hearing a kiwi coach say "can't" or "never"; We like to willfully delude ourselves about our chances. A lot of people from Western Europe would consider what Heraf said brutal honesty, but to a New Zealander he broke the cardinal rule of sport, NEVER say never. In our minds we're always Rambo taking on the Vietcong single-handedly.

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Nicely put

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Anyone can coach someone to kick a ball or play a certain way. The very best coaches know how to handle people to get the best out of them. Part of that is knowing what makes them tick. He doesn't seem to have a clue. We do have a NZ sports psyche and that is what makes us over achieve in all manner of things. You can't cut a knife through that and completely discard it to the 4 winds and expect success.

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Anyone want to make Twitter hashtag go viral, just a simple #MartinOut #HerafOut should suffice. This Martin fool is delusional, Heraf does not care

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I don't have a lot of time for Reason's usual opinion pieces where he seems to deliberately troll for views/comments (a la. Rattue), but if this rare piece of actual journalism from the article is true then NZF really does have a lot to answer for, and in no way lessens my worry that we are headed right back to appointing just another Martin type.

"Whatever happened to due diligence. It took me one phone call to talk to London Irish, the Martian's previous employers.

They told me they were about to boot Martin out. They said that Martin was kept away from all playing matters, that debt had increased in his time at the club, and that he had put together a huge commercial team who had now all been removed."


Edit:  Also, his suggested replacement for Martin is a very good one on the face of it, if she is willing to step down (sideways?) from FIFA.

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OK here is my view and sorry if I go in a few different directions with this ! The best coaches need to be teaching our best players !!! It is that simple and where you are from should not come into it.

One of the issues that has been discussed is around Heraf. The book fully stops here with Andy Martin. Heraf has worked at a high level for a number of years in the game but now he is in NZ he is all of a sudden a bully but never a mention of anything similar in the past ........ Well I do not buy that. The football culture here in NZ is quiet different than most of the world in my opinion so Andy Martin should have went into detail with Heraf around what what he was coming into.The fact he did not probably tells you he does not understand it himself which is a real worry. Then to allow your technical director to become so invested in the women's team when his job is to overlook the game as a whole and develop it was a bonkers decision !

Heraf clearly went for the straight talking approach with the players and with his lack of knowledge around the culture there was no way back for him. This approach im sure was acceptable for him in Europe in a professional environment which NZ is not but he needed a more tactful approach here and to try implement change over time. I believe he meant no harm with his honest view and approach but it was definitely not the right way to do things and it has clearly backfired on him. Again why did Andy Martin not advise him better ? Again because Andy Martin does not understand the culture !

I could get into the NZ football culture but i would need to write a book : )

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Fred wrote:

OK here is my view and sorry if I go in a few different directions with this ! The best coaches need to be teaching our best players !!! It is that simple and where you are from should not come into it.

One of the issues that has been discussed is around Heraf. The book fully stops here with Andy Martin. Heraf has worked at a high level for a number of years in the game but now he is in NZ he is all of a sudden a bully but never a mention of anything similar in the past ........ Well I do not buy that. The football culture here in NZ is quiet different than most of the world in my opinion so Andy Martin should have went into detail with Heraf around what what he was coming into.The fact he did not probably tells you he does not understand it himself which is a real worry. Then to allow your technical director to become so invested in the women's team when his job is to overlook the game as a whole and develop it was a bonkers decision !

Heraf clearly went for the straight talking approach with the players and with his lack of knowledge around the culture there was no way back for him. This approach im sure was acceptable for him in Europe in a professional environment which NZ is not but he needed a more tactful approach here and to try implement change over time. I believe he meant no harm with his honest view and approach but it was definitely not the right way to do things and it has clearly backfired on him. Again why did Andy Martin not advise him better ? Again because Andy Martin does not understand the culture !

I could get into the NZ football culture but i would need to write a book : )

NZF could do with a book

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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aitkenmike wrote:

I don't have a lot of time for Reason's usual opinion pieces where he seems to deliberately troll for views/comments (a la. Rattue), but if this rare piece of actual journalism from the article is true then NZF really does have a lot to answer for, and in no way lessens my worry that we are headed right back to appointing just another Martin type.

"Whatever happened to due diligence. It took me one phone call to talk to London Irish, the Martian's previous employers.

They told me they were about to boot Martin out. They said that Martin was kept away from all playing matters, that debt had increased in his time at the club, and that he had put together a huge commercial team who had now all been removed."


Edit:  Also, his suggested replacement for Martin is a very good one on the face of it, if she is willing to step down (sideways?) from FIFA.

I think it was poorly written, plus it’s one thing to run an FA in the country the size of Samoa going nowhere fast and and other, NZs size.  Likewise what has she actually done while at FIFA?

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Reason also accuses Martin of forcing out Tony Readings as Ferns coach. Is there any actual evidence of that?

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Independent review. It’s time. Who is running this show? 

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Andy Martin, in answer to questions from the media in respect of matters raised by a former New Zealand Football staff member, stated that the matters were linked to a “performance management issue around the individual”.

his statement was factually totally incorrect. There were no performance management issues as they relate to this former New Zealand Football staff member.

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Blew.2 wrote:

Andy Martin, in answer to questions from the media in respect of matters raised by a former New Zealand Football staff member, stated that the matters were linked to a “performance management issue around the individual”.

his statement was factually totally incorrect. There were no performance management issues as they relate to this former New Zealand Football staff member.

Come on guys, give the man some credit. Martin obviously 'mis-spoke' when asked that question and he can clear up any misunderstanding when he talks to whoever is named to investigate the Heraf mess. (Yeah, right!)

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Blew.2 wrote:

Andy Martin, in answer to questions from the media in respect of matters raised by a former New Zealand Football staff member, stated that the matters were linked to a “performance management issue around the individual”.

his statement was factually totally incorrect. There were no performance management issues as they relate to this former New Zealand Football staff member.

Could of been according to Heraf, who would of told his side of the story to Martin. Again it would show the danger of having him in both of those positions at the same time.

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