Effecting Change at NZF

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Yeah, it's not clear from the press release whether they are electing an interim Chair at the next Board meeting, or whether that person is intended to have the job permanently.

If it's an interim Chair it at least allows the newly elected member at the Congress to be considered for the role. It would have to someone pretty exceptional though, for the current Board to look past people they've already been working with for the past few years.

One thing that annoys me about NZF's website is that it doesn't tell you exactly who the appointed/elected members are and when their terms end. There may be other positions up for grabs at the Congress also.

I guess the other question then is whether there's any chatter from the Federations about who's getting nominated for, and who might actually get elected to, the role Frank is vacating.


Edited by terminator_x January 23, 2014 15:40

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I lol'd at the press release saying that they've turned consecutive profits over the last few years. 

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So new Chair, new CEO, new All Whites coach. Is that enough change?

Thoughts on who the new Chair could/should be?

I'm interested to know whether any of those who were happy to put the boot in to van Hattum have any views on who should replace him. I'm betting most people don't actually have a clue who's on the Board let alone who should be the next Chair.

Just a reminder of who the current Board are:

Deputy Chairman – Bill Moran
Mark Aspden
Paul Cochrane
Martin Fenwick
Paula Kearns
Dougal McGowan
Shelley McMeeken
Mike Anderson

As far as I know McMeeken and Anderson are co-opted so it won't one of them. Bill Moran is deputy, is capable and has been on the Board a while so will definitely be in the running. However, he is Wellington based and is also a Deputy Secretary at Treasury, which is a top job, and he may run into the same problems with work commitments as van Hattum. Mark Apsden might be in the running too, he seemed to do a good job as interim CE and has also been on the Board a while. I think Moran and Apsden are both appointed members though, and it might be seen as more politic to appoint one of the elected members. Of the others, I don't know too much about them.

My guess would be Bill Moran, unless he knocks it back because of work commitments.


To me, changes are board/chair level are largely symbolic but I also think that there has been very little progress on the most difficult issues.  The flagship mens team has had a disastrous 3 1/2 years and there needed to be accountability for that.  ASBP has been allowed to be run down to the stage where it's almost unsustainable.  Phoenix and NZF still at loggerheads.  Can't get a CEO to stay in the game.  No real clarity about where the future of the sport is within NZ at an elite level.  All difficult problems but I haven't seen a lot of leadership or direction TBH.  I think it's time for a change.  

The fact is that we qualified for 2010 can hardly be put down to the board and yet FVH took credit for the positive financial outcome that resulted from attending.  

I don't know any of those individuals so I can't comment on who I think should replace him but ultimately I'd be looking for further changes and I would be looking for (a) people with experience of elite level football to join and (b) people with links to the corporate world because personally I think as a sport we're grossly under-commercialised considering the level of participation that we have at junior level.

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Come on down Tim Brown.

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2ndBest wrote:

Come on down Tim Brown.


He's an obvious candidate but TBH i think he's shooting higher than that - he's crushing it at business school.  I saw him a couple of months ago and I don't think he'll be back in NZ any time soon, he's living in LDN and has an American GF.  

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did you ask him about how he is finding the cost of living in London compared to NZ?

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God London is shit? 

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Until NZF is free from and not governed by the federations with board member selection, it will continue to be the same. I like the way FFA went about it and followed other nations being a separate identity where the federations were governed to move forward and meet certian criteria.

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God London is shit? 



London is where people go to earn enough money to get away from freakin' London.

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Frankie Mac wrote:

did you ask him about how he is finding the cost of living in London compared to NZ?

and if he has ever been bitten by a fox

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Frankie Mac wrote:

did you ask him about how he is finding the cost of living in London compared to NZ?

and if he has ever been bitten by a fox



..what did the fox say....

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Until NZF is free from and not governed by the federations with board member selection, it will continue to be the same. I like the way FFA went about it and followed other nations being a separate identity where the federations were governed to move forward and meet certian criteria.

 

Only a minority of Board positions are from the Federations iirc.

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Smithy wrote:
Royz wrote:

Until NZF is free from and not governed by the federations with board member selection, it will continue to be the same. I like the way FFA went about it and followed other nations being a separate identity where the federations were governed to move forward and meet certian criteria.

 


Only a minority of Board positions are from the Federations iirc.

Ok but Im sure i had read somewhere and correct me if i am wrong that the Federations hold more power of the voting on board members then NZF does itself. I dont mean to drag this out smithy and thanks for the reply.

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@Royz: the Federations elect 3 of the 7 Board members. The other 4 are appointed.

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So Gareth decides to comment again.Not sure when he became the expert on all things football.He might be a successful business man but that dosnt mean FK all when it comes to football.You couldnt say by any stretch that some of the things Welnix have done since arriving have proven they have all the answers when running a club.

Frankly have gone off him in a big way  he comes off much of the time as bully with money.

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So Gareth decides to comment again.Not sure when he became the expert on all things football.He might be a successful business man but that dosnt mean FK all when it comes to football.You couldnt say by any stretch that some of the things Welnix have done since arriving have proven they have all the answers when running a club.

Frankly have gone off him in a big way  he comes off much of the time as clueless dick with money.

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You can guarantee when the new CEO arrives, that a lot of people will be in his ear on day one conveying the above. Regardless of how much of a dick/bully Gareth is, I really hope that one of the first items of the CEO's agenda is a meeting with Gareth to hear him out. 90 per cent of what he says is bullshit, but when you strip all that out, 10 per cent is worth listening to and possibly implementing. The relationship between the Phoenix and NZ football is also going to have to improve for the good of football.


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You can guarantee when the new CEO arrives, that a lot of people will be in his ear on day one conveying the above. Regardless of how much of a dick/bully Gareth is, I really hope that one of the first items of the CEO's agenda is a meeting with Gareth to hear him out. 90 per cent of what he says is bullshit, but when you strip all that out, 10 per cent is worth listening to and possibly implementing. The relationship between the Phoenix and NZ football is also going to have to improve for the good of football.



Its true, even if you just entertain Morgan he could dump his load (Financially) all over NZF
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The other infuriating thing for me with Morgan is that he has turned into a classic opposition MP. He says a lot of words without saying anything other than "the guys in charge are crap and I can do it better." There is nothing in this latest article that we don't know, ie NZF needs change and is poorly run.

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ballane wrote:

So Gareth decides to comment again.Not sure when he became the expert on all things football.He might be a successful business man but that dosnt mean FK all when it comes to football.You couldnt say by any stretch that some of the things Welnix have done since arriving have proven they have all the answers when running a club.

Frankly have gone off him in a big way  he comes off much of the time as bully with money.


And on the other hand you have NZF administrators that know a lot about football and FK all about business. And of course some of the things Welnix have done since taking on the Phoenix haven't worked, who ever would suggest they should have *all* the answers? But from an outsiders perspective (without knowing and speculating about what goes on behind the scenes) it is obvious that some of the more fundamental aspects of Welnix management; e.g. building a core youth squad, stabilising the club financially and at least attempting closer engagement with NZF were being achieved with some success - these are all important for the future of the game in NZ.

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