Building depth in the All Whites Vs Building a small core squad for the present

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Since Hudson has come on board their have been plenty of caps handed out to players at the expense of building experience and a certain team dynamic that has seen guys like Keet, the younger Boxall, Henderson completely overlooked. Whilst I think it's good to cap someone like Henry Cameron who until his injury was playing in a professional environment you have to question a lot of the younger kids in the local comp getting the nod ahead of professionals.

I understand a lot of guys like Smith, Reid pull out often meaning we need to pick some one but I think this is also part of the problem. You could argue that the majority of what would be our best XI now play in Europe and given these guys are our best maybe we should be more accommodating to their needs. I have a feeling we wouldn't see Smith and Reid pull out of a friendly or a training camp if it was in London regardless of what stage of the season it is. Considering the UK has over 100 professional football clubs actually well over you would have to imagine ATLEAST half a dozen would be willing to host an All Whites side. Best case we get a international team but if not its better than nothing.  I would consider our best XI as of right now to be:

Gleeson

Roux-Reid-Smith-Doyle

Themi-Keet

Barba-Thomas-Rojas

Wood

Add to that the fact that maybe 80% of the next best now ply their trade as close to the UK as they do NZ:

  •  Lower league keepers in the UK and Marinovic
  •  Boxall, Old, F Wynne, in the backline.
  •  Henderson, younger Boxall, VDB, Tuiloma, Payne, James in the DM role.
  •  Boyd, Howieson, Cameron on the flanks and AM role.
  •  Brockie and Bright as the CF

Aside from these guys the only others I can see deserving of a squad in our best 23 would be Moss, Wee Mac, Vincent, Fenton, Lewis, De Vries, and maybe the most in form local league striker at the time and of course Fitzgerald if he was eligible would be starting XI hands down. It might not seem fair for the Aussie based players to have to treck it so often for friendlies but lets face it their respective workloads as in games per season are so much less than the other guys.

Iceland is a good current example of a team without any real depth but they pick a pretty consistent XI which features players from Serie A, Bundesliga, EPL, Switzerland, Ligue 1, Russia PL, Turkey but also a few of the weaker type leagues like Norway, Denmark and Sweden as well as the expanding China. Outside of maybe the top 15 their is very little depth and really without these top players their is just no way they could make the Euros or be one game from the WC in Europe which is pretty crazy considering the population they have. A lot of these guys are relatively young but have a ton of experience. The early 2000's late 1990's Zimbabwae cricket team is also a good example considering that it was almost all white up until 2000 I think and they were drawing from no more than 200,000 people as a population base really they did exceptionally well as almost all were playing at a professional level.

I'm not going to say a South American tie is going to match us with an easy beat for the cup (assuming we get to the final round) and whilst I wouldn't say that any of the nations in this confederation are in decline their are a few who are weaker than they have been in a long time Brazil even making squad selections from the championship. Of course if we get a Brazil or Argentina or I'd say Chile its all over but the other sides are beatable with a lot of local based players making up recent squads and players 30+ in age. Whilst we are looking at a lot of players who will be peaking around the cup time in terms of age at least 25-29 making up a lot of what should be considered our best XI. Any way sorry for rambling on and sorry if this isn't punctuated appropriately I am on my phone at the airport. But what do you all think is it better to focus on a smaller group to get us to Russia ? considering we rarely seem to have more than a dozen and a half players at pro level at any one time. Or should we be dreaming of Qatar already and handing out caps like free pretzels ?

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I think we should be picking the best players possible. The All Whites is a difficult environment to develop players in given that the team meets up so infrequently. The other problem is that if you try to develop too many players, you don't give those individual players enough opportunities to prove themselves.

Listen here Fudgeface
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Gleeson as keeper rather than Moss makes me question the entirety of your post.

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Not to mention the spelling of 'keet'. It's Keat
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Not to mention placing Gleeson above our German Pro keeper

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Ha fair enough I was on my phone so some of the spelling you will have to excuse I was stuck at the airport and had a few. Not saying its clear cut Gleeson / Moss but Gleeson was part of a MLS winning side and he has made a few important contributions to the team over the seasons he has been there. Moss on his day is great but can be a bit up and down is all I think. I wasn't aware Marinovic was still in the pro ranks which is good I thought he had dropped to the English equivalent of what the national league is i.e after the drop from league 2  

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I'm a fan of Keat and with Bill not really playing on his loan stint I think the central and defensive midfield is an area of major concern but given Hudson hasn't picked Keat in any of his squads I cannot see it happening now. I think Wee Mac or Themi will plug that hole but personally would rather see a specialist playing there. Given our strength in central defence I think Hudson would be better off in the hard away games playing Reid or Themi as a defensive midfielder to sit in front of the back 4. But when we are wanting to score goals I'd be ok with a lighter weight player in central midfield. Either way a few months ago I would have picked Bill as the number 6. Hudson will have to wait to assess him on his "form" in camp. 

As an aside I've still never heard a definitive answer to why Keat and Henderson haven't been picked. 

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Bring Chris Killen and Jeremy Christie back to play as our holding mids.

#whatwouldrickido

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Itll be hudson wihongi, mcglinchey & tuiloma in mf in a 4-3-3 i think. He clearly rates HW
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I guess Keat and Henderson have not been picked because both are failing to get game time in minor leagues. Henderson is now a free agent and was playing on loan in one of the worst sides in Norway first division. Keat may have scored the goal to help avoid relegation but he wasn't playing that much, now he's again in Swedish second division playing in the same club as Steven Old, who's been out of the AW's radar since 2007 IIRC. Problably the same applies to James, he's at Finish second division after failing to be a starter in French fourth tier. I'm not saying they should't been picked, but given Hudson's preferences for youngsters I don't think there are 'no reasons' for their absences in AW's squads. Having say that, I would like to see Keat at least given a go in a couple of friendlies, just to test him as Hudson has tested so many kids.

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There is no way we're going to Russia. If you seriously think that there is even a single beatable CONMEBOL side for us, well, good luck to you.

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Ecuador - 4 wins from 4 and top of the table in CONMEBOL WC qualifying currently. 

Colombia - ranked 8th in the world. Star player is James Rodriguez who starts for a little club called Real Madrid.

Uruguay - ranked 11th in the world.

Paraguay - been through a rough patch but blooding some new players. Recently drew with Argentina.

Plus obviously Brazil, Chile, and Argentina.

EG's right. Whoever finishers 5th in their qualifying (which is games against each other team in the confederation, home and away) will be way, way better than us. Even if it's Peru, Bolivia or Venezuela the very fact they made it to 5th would mean they were better than at least 2 of those 7 teams up there.

Hopefully we get Brazil or Argentina just for the TV rights and the lols

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how much longer until Blake Powell is eligble?

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Ecuador - 4 wins from 4 and top of the table in CONMEBOL WC qualifying currently. 

Colombia - ranked 8th in the world. Star player is James Rodriguez who starts for a little club called Real Madrid.

Uruguay - ranked 11th in the world.

Paraguay - been through a rough patch but blooding some new players. Recently drew with Argentina.

Plus obviously Brazil, Chile, and Argentina.

EG's right. Whoever finishers 5th in their qualifying (which is games against each other team in the confederation, home and away) will be way, way better than us. Even if it's Peru, Bolivia or Venezuela the very fact they made it to 5th would mean they were better than at least 2 of those 7 teams up there.

Hopefully we get Brazil or Argentina just for the TV rights and the lols

A lot of games to play but showing the task we will have.

Chile are in 5th place before the March games to get that place they had a win against Brazil.

Argentina are below Chile.

Building depth in the All Whites Vs Building a small core squad for the present

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