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Oi! Keep the snoring down please.  Honestly it sounds like there are three guys spooning in the neighbouring thin-walled room.


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nightz wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

You are a lone voice my friend and no one is rushing to say 'what a good guy, what a great job he did'

So you only quote the papers when it suits you JV.

.http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/8887938/NZFs-CEO-turnover-puts-spotlight-on-chairman

Interesting article
(Not sure what makes Nightz proved right about anything though)
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Junior82 wrote:

Oi! Keep the snoring down please.  Honestly it sounds like there are three guys spooning in the neighbouring thin-walled room.



We're glad you can't hear the chains and latex.......

I've taken this too far......
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Feverish wrote:
nightz wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

You are a lone voice my friend and no one is rushing to say 'what a good guy, what a great job he did'

So you only quote the papers when it suits you JV.

.http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/8887938/NZFs-CEO-turnover-puts-spotlight-on-chairman

Interesting article

(Not sure what makes Nightz proved right about anything though)

the very point I made
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Feverish wrote:
nightz wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

You are a lone voice my friend and no one is rushing to say 'what a good guy, what a great job he did'

So you only quote the papers when it suits you JV.

.http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/8887938/NZFs-CEO-turnover-puts-spotlight-on-chairman

Interesting article

(Not sure what makes Nightz proved right about anything though)


Not a great reflection on van Hattum...
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terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:

Anyway so RH already being lined up as technical director apparently - so now we can expect long ball at every level instead of just the All Whites


Come on JD, that sounds like Herbert bashing just for the sake of it.

So I take it you believe that Fred de Jong is currently responsible for the choice of tactics by all NZ rep teams? If not, what are you worried about?

And you are also ignoring the rather exciting possibility of getting a new All Whites coach.




If it's not a technical role then why would Herbert be interested?  I think his methods are completely outdated and he needs to go away and rethink his approach to football - and I'd prefer he did that a long way away from any of the teams I support.  We need some new thinking - can't see that happening with him at the top
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JD you have lost me here. What technical director role are you talking about above?

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Was Herbert not Technical Director before taking over the Kinghts and Knix?  He definately had another role with NZF as well as being the AW coach prior to becoming a professional club coach.

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Time for a new board maybe.  People not associated with 70/80s AWs and tobacco sponsored national legaues.

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Feverish wrote:

JD you have lost me here. What technical director role are you talking about above?


I'm saying if Herbert takes over from de Jong and de Jong takes over as chief exec - which is already being talked about and seems pretty convenient for all concerned - they're going to give him some responsibility for technical direction (even if he's called high performance manager or something similar) - otherwise what is he there for?  And I personally don't want him having anything to do with that side of NZF because I think his hoofball is 20 years out of date
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RH wouldn't be HP manager. De Jong has ballsed it up bad enough. It needs planning skills rather than tactics etc

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Marto wrote:

Time for a new board maybe.  People not associated with 70/80s AWs and tobacco sponsored national legaues.

Agree, and certainly a new chairman. This van Hattum mates club thing with de Jong and Herbert is the last thing NZF need at the end of November. NZF will then have no money, and no WC qualification (they are no chance without Herbert getting help)

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Feverish wrote:

RH wouldn't be HP manager. De Jong has ballsed it up bad enough. It needs planning skills rather than tactics etc


Just wait, they'll restructure the job so it fits his skill set
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james dean wrote:
Feverish wrote:

JD you have lost me here. What technical director role are you talking about above?


I'm saying if Herbert takes over from de Jong and de Jong takes over as chief exec - which is already being talked about and seems pretty convenient for all concerned - they're going to give him some responsibility for technical direction (even if he's called high performance manager or something similar) - otherwise what is he there for?  And I personally don't want him having anything to do with that side of NZF because I think his hoofball is 20 years out of date


You are making some pretty big assumptions there:
1. That Ricki Herbert doesn't want to do anything (and can't do anything) other than a technical coaching role.
2. That the High Performance Manager has significant influence over the tactics employed by all NZ teams.
3. That even if 2 were true and RH had the job he is incapable of working with the coaches to identify suitable tactics and everyone will simply roll-over and deploy 'hoofball'.

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Jeff Vader wrote:
Feverish wrote:
nightz wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

You are a lone voice my friend and no one is rushing to say 'what a good guy, what a great job he did'

So you only quote the papers when it suits you JV.

.http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/8887938/NZFs-CEO-turnover-puts-spotlight-on-chairman

Interesting article

(Not sure what makes Nightz proved right about anything though)

the very point I made

You slag off the last few CEOs and when an article suggested it may be the board and not the CEOs that are the problem you say it proves you right! Think you need to change your medication.

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I've not followed NZF closely, but the staff turnover, especially in senior positions is very concerning. It does have a feeling of an old boys club given the number of former players heavily involved in these positions.

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nightz wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Feverish wrote:
nightz wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

You are a lone voice my friend and no one is rushing to say 'what a good guy, what a great job he did'

So you only quote the papers when it suits you JV.

.http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/8887938/NZFs-CEO-turnover-puts-spotlight-on-chairman

Interesting article

(Not sure what makes Nightz proved right about anything though)

the very point I made

You slag off the last few CEOs and when an article suggested it may be the board and not the CEOs that are the problem you say it proves you right! Think you need to change your medication.

Basically blames the board for hiring shit people
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brumbys wrote:

I've not followed NZF closely, but the staff turnover, especially in senior positions is very concerning. It does have a feeling of an old boys club given the number of former players heavily involved in these positions.


Their is not a sporting body in NZ whose board is not fillled with Ex players
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nightz wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Feverish wrote:
nightz wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

You are a lone voice my friend and no one is rushing to say 'what a good guy, what a great job he did'

So you only quote the papers when it suits you JV.

.http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/8887938/NZFs-CEO-turnover-puts-spotlight-on-chairman

Interesting article

(Not sure what makes Nightz proved right about anything though)

the very point I made

You slag off the last few CEOs and when an article suggested it may be the board and not the CEOs that are the problem you say it proves you right! Think you need to change your medication.

"If one were to speculate, NZF has run at a loss after he came on board after Glading righted the wrongs of Seatter. "

Was that the line you were looking for?

Seatter put us in a financial hole. Yes he got our teams active again but he mortagaged the game for it. We could argue to death about the pro and cons and whether it was right or wrong but it should never get as bad as it did so you can argue poor excution. Glading came in and dug us out of that hole and did a good job. The person I know was not happy working for Glading but I have no issue with what Glading did as CEO.

 

 

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Prior to Fred's appointment I'm pretty sure the only ex-player was van Hatt employed in the office - although as Chairman I'm not sure he counts as an employee.. 

Obviously the playing management side will have ex-players as they are more likely to be a profile coach than you or I.

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Feverish wrote:
Basically blames the board for hiring shit people

The paper basically said that de Jong would give the appearance of being a likely front runner and David Parker from Auckland Football would be another candidate. I don't really know enough about de Jong from a business standpoint but his background would give the suggestion of having some suitable skills. The reason I don't like de Jong is because he is an annoying commentator but that's hardly grounds or correlation to say he would be a poor CEO. It may well be his forte.

David Parker I have met a couple of times and seems to be doing a good job at Auckland.

I don't think I would have too much of an objection to either of those two getting the job. The writing does appear to be on the wall for Fred to get it though. I was the one that speculated about Ricki moving back to HQ because either December or August, he wont be in the AWs role anymore. It would seem that such is the support he gets from the mothership, he would be scooped back under the wing as technical/HP director (speculating)

 

Anyone want to put a friendly bragging rights on it the next courses of action?

I've got de Jong to CEO, Herbert into the role that deJong currently has now and Emblen as AWs coach.

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Hard News wrote:

Prior to Fred's appointment I'm pretty sure the only ex-player was van Hatt employed in the office - although as Chairman I'm not sure he counts as an employee.. 

Obviously the playing management side will have ex-players as they are more likely to be a profile coach than you or I.

van Hattum has always been a high roller at BP.
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If anything, my criticism of the last three CEO appointments is that they have not been football people, or even people with backgrounds in sports administration (Bill MacGowan was the last one we had with previous sports experience). Instead we seemed to have been obsessed with getting people with strong commercial backgrounds - a strategy that has probably had only mixed success at best.

At face value I'd be OK with Fred de Jong as CEO. Depends on who else applies of course, which we will never know unless they declare it themselves. Weirdly, I think Fred de Jong might be better qualified to be CEO than his current role, if that makes any sense.



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terminator_x wrote:

If anything, my criticism of the last three CEO appointments is that they have not been football people, or even people with backgrounds in sports administration (Bill MacGowan was the last one we had with previous sports experience). Instead we seemed to have been obsessed with getting people with strong commercial backgrounds - a strategy that has probably had only mixed success at best.

At face value I'd be OK with Fred de Jong as CEO. Depends on who else applies of course, which we will never know unless they declare it themselves. Weirdly, I think Fred de Jong might be better qualified to be CEO than his current role, if that makes any sense.



I agree with this.

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terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:
Feverish wrote:

JD you have lost me here. What technical director role are you talking about above?


I'm saying if Herbert takes over from de Jong and de Jong takes over as chief exec - which is already being talked about and seems pretty convenient for all concerned - they're going to give him some responsibility for technical direction (even if he's called high performance manager or something similar) - otherwise what is he there for?  And I personally don't want him having anything to do with that side of NZF because I think his hoofball is 20 years out of date


You are making some pretty big assumptions there:

1. That Ricki Herbert doesn't want to do anything (and can't do anything) other than a technical coaching role.

2. That the High Performance Manager has significant influence over the tactics employed by all NZ teams.

3. That even if 2 were true and RH had the job he is incapable of working with the coaches to identify suitable tactics and everyone will simply roll-over and deploy 'hoofball'.



If RH gets the job mark my words he will not be high performance manager or whatever de Jong was, he'll be Technical Director.  As Greenie says he's not the right man for TD so they'll find something to suit him.  As to your third point, I'd rather he didn't have the opportunity to influence anything!
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james dean wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:
Feverish wrote:

JD you have lost me here. What technical director role are you talking about above?


I'm saying if Herbert takes over from de Jong and de Jong takes over as chief exec - which is already being talked about and seems pretty convenient for all concerned - they're going to give him some responsibility for technical direction (even if he's called high performance manager or something similar) - otherwise what is he there for?  And I personally don't want him having anything to do with that side of NZF because I think his hoofball is 20 years out of date


You are making some pretty big assumptions there:

1. That Ricki Herbert doesn't want to do anything (and can't do anything) other than a technical coaching role.

2. That the High Performance Manager has significant influence over the tactics employed by all NZ teams.

3. That even if 2 were true and RH had the job he is incapable of working with the coaches to identify suitable tactics and everyone will simply roll-over and deploy 'hoofball'.



If RH gets the job mark my words he will not be high performance manager or whatever de Jong was, he'll be Technical Director.  As Greenie says he's not the right man for TD so they'll find something to suit him.  As to your third point, I'd rather he didn't have the opportunity to influence anything!



I presume you meant to say "he's not the right man for HPM"?

You're right that if they morph HPM into a TD role just so Ricki's got a job, then that looks pretty shoddy and raises all sorts of questions.

In the current set-up it's not actually clear who really sets the technical direction anyway. The coaches all report to the HPM (I think), but the role appears to be more about planning and managing rather than technical stuff like tactics etc.

Regardless, I don't necessarily agree that Ricki couldn't be the HPM. Although it's not specifically a coaching role he's worked in High Performance environments for pretty much his entire career (no jokes please, for the purpose of this conversation it's true) so he will have a very good idea of what it's all about. I wouldn't dismiss him outright as a potentially good candidate for HPM, if that's a direction he wanted to go. But again it all depends on who else applies etc etc.

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Mark Aspden named NZ Football Interim Chief Executive

July 9, 2013

The New Zealand Football Board has appointed Mark Aspden as Interim Chief Executive. He will retain the position until the process of appointing a new Chief Executive has been concluded. 

A commercial lawyer, Aspden is currently a partner of Harrison Stone Lawyers. He has previously worked in management roles in law, telecommunications and home care.

Aspden will be known to many people in the game having played football since the mid 1970s for North Otago and then in Dunedin and Auckland. He currently coaches an 11th grade team at Western Springs AFC.

Appointed to the Auckland Football Federation Board in 2003 he chaired that Board from 2006 to 2008. He joined the New Zealand Football Board in January 2008 and was reappointed for a further four years at the May 2013 Congress.

As Interim Chief Executive Aspden will take a leave of absence from the Board until a new Chief Executive has been appointed.

“Mark will ensure the organisation delivers on its strategic goals and partnership obligations,” said Chairman Frank van Hattum. “He will provide leadership and direction as required and provide oversight on a number of key projects for the Board.”


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Mr van Hattum went on to say "This appointment will also help to deflect criticism that the permanent appointment of Fred de Jong to the role is a foregone conclusion, which it is, but this makes it look a little bit less so".



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terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:
Feverish wrote:

JD you have lost me here. What technical director role are you talking about above?


I'm saying if Herbert takes over from de Jong and de Jong takes over as chief exec - which is already being talked about and seems pretty convenient for all concerned - they're going to give him some responsibility for technical direction (even if he's called high performance manager or something similar) - otherwise what is he there for?  And I personally don't want him having anything to do with that side of NZF because I think his hoofball is 20 years out of date


You are making some pretty big assumptions there:

1. That Ricki Herbert doesn't want to do anything (and can't do anything) other than a technical coaching role.

2. That the High Performance Manager has significant influence over the tactics employed by all NZ teams.

3. That even if 2 were true and RH had the job he is incapable of working with the coaches to identify suitable tactics and everyone will simply roll-over and deploy 'hoofball'.



If RH gets the job mark my words he will not be high performance manager or whatever de Jong was, he'll be Technical Director.  As Greenie says he's not the right man for TD so they'll find something to suit him.  As to your third point, I'd rather he didn't have the opportunity to influence anything!



I presume you meant to say "he's not the right man for HPM"?

You're right that if they morph HPM into a TD role just so Ricki's got a job, then that looks pretty shoddy and raises all sorts of questions.

In the current set-up it's not actually clear who really sets the technical direction anyway. The coaches all report to the HPM (I think), but the role appears to be more about planning and managing rather than technical stuff like tactics etc.

Regardless, I don't necessarily agree that Ricki couldn't be the HPM. Although it's not specifically a coaching role he's worked in High Performance environments for pretty much his entire career (no jokes please, for the purpose of this conversation it's true) so he will have a very good idea of what it's all about. I wouldn't dismiss him outright as a potentially good candidate for HPM, if that's a direction he wanted to go. But again it all depends on who else applies etc etc.


I think someone called Bev Priestman was previously head of Football Development so presume that was her remit?  Implementing the national plan.  She has now left.

I think if you speak to Phoenix players they might hesitate to describe the Phoenix set up under him as "high performance".  Or the All Whites - after one week in the World Cup camp Nelsen called in Matt Hockin from Blackburn to fix off field problems as he was worried about how things were being handled.  Some distinctly amateur stuff

I don't understand why you are such a fan of RH - but even me who is a critic I'd prefer he gets back to coaching because we don't have a lot of guys who have his experience.  I just think he needs to re-examine his approach to the game and go and challenge himself somewhere to improve and learn - try and work under someone with as more modern approach.  If it does work out this way and he stays with NZF I don't see how he's really going to do that.
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What's this about the Blackburn thing JD,

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james dean wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:
Feverish wrote:

JD you have lost me here. What technical director role are you talking about above?


I'm saying if Herbert takes over from de Jong and de Jong takes over as chief exec - which is already being talked about and seems pretty convenient for all concerned - they're going to give him some responsibility for technical direction (even if he's called high performance manager or something similar) - otherwise what is he there for?  And I personally don't want him having anything to do with that side of NZF because I think his hoofball is 20 years out of date


You are making some pretty big assumptions there:

1. That Ricki Herbert doesn't want to do anything (and can't do anything) other than a technical coaching role.

2. That the High Performance Manager has significant influence over the tactics employed by all NZ teams.

3. That even if 2 were true and RH had the job he is incapable of working with the coaches to identify suitable tactics and everyone will simply roll-over and deploy 'hoofball'.



If RH gets the job mark my words he will not be high performance manager or whatever de Jong was, he'll be Technical Director.  As Greenie says he's not the right man for TD so they'll find something to suit him.  As to your third point, I'd rather he didn't have the opportunity to influence anything!



I presume you meant to say "he's not the right man for HPM"?

You're right that if they morph HPM into a TD role just so Ricki's got a job, then that looks pretty shoddy and raises all sorts of questions.

In the current set-up it's not actually clear who really sets the technical direction anyway. The coaches all report to the HPM (I think), but the role appears to be more about planning and managing rather than technical stuff like tactics etc.

Regardless, I don't necessarily agree that Ricki couldn't be the HPM. Although it's not specifically a coaching role he's worked in High Performance environments for pretty much his entire career (no jokes please, for the purpose of this conversation it's true) so he will have a very good idea of what it's all about. I wouldn't dismiss him outright as a potentially good candidate for HPM, if that's a direction he wanted to go. But again it all depends on who else applies etc etc.


I think someone called Bev Priestman was previously head of Football Development so presume that was her remit?  Implementing the national plan.  She has now left.


nah I think Term has it right. Bev was more about WOF whereas HPM manages the NZ programmes -so scheduling NZ age group camps/games etc.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

What's this about the Blackburn thing JD,


  
New Zealand: Hockin knew Ewood enjoy Kiwi role

New Zealand might have got themselves into a lather over Australia attempting to claim Monday's shock World Cup draw with Slovakia as their own - but they will happily acknowledge the part of their glorious day that was created in Lancashire.

'Australasia 1 Slovakia 1' screamed the Sydney Morning Herald, much to the chagrin of their neighbours from across the Tasman Sea.

It was not a shared glory Matt Hockin recognised.

Sensing there were problems looming with aspects of the All Whites off-field preparation that were far from perfect, skipper Ryan Nelsen asked Blackburn's player liaison officer whether he would be interested in joining them in South Africa.

Thinking Nelsen was asking him if he wanted to come and watch, Hockin said he would think about it.

It was only when the Kiwi captain spelled out what needed to be done that Hockin took it further and sought time away from his Ewood Park role.


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The Football Development role that Bev Preistman was doing is definitely more the grassroots development stuff.

Yes, Ricki Herbert might be a shit HPM, I really don't know. I'm just saying I wouldn't automatically exclude him as a candidate, which you seem to have done JD. I don't think the example of the World Cup is really fair either. Even if true, that was a very specific and exceptional situation at a WC where Ricki was actually the coach. The HPM is basically a desk bound job here in New Zealand that has more to do with using Microsoft Project and writing job descriptions.


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Jason Pine @pineyzb

New Zealand Football are due to name their new CEO today.

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Jason Pine @pineyzb

New Zealand Football are due to name their new CEO today.


So we can expect an announcement mid July then.
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The new CEO of New Zealand Football is Andy Martin, recent CEO of London Irish Rugby Club. Starts in February.

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AUCKLAND – Andy Martin has been appointed CEO of New Zealand Football after an extensive worldwide search canvassing more than 179 candidates.
Martin, who as CEO of London Irish Rugby Club recently oversaw a two year project that led to the successful buy out of the club by a consortium of Irish businessmen, has now come back full circle to football – his first love.
“I am excited by the many opportunities and challenges facing New Zealand Football at the moment,” Martin said.
“We are at a potentially transformational point in its history.”
It was football which influenced his decision to enter the world of banking; as a passionate junior footballer (and fan of Liverpool FC), Barclay’s bank recruited him as a sixteen year old.
Since then he has held a number of senior roles within the Bank most recently as a Board Member and Managing Director in the Corporate Bank.
“I am very much looking forward to the coming period of change,’ he says.
Andy has an MBA from Henley Business School, UK, and is married to Catherine and has two children.
He will be taking up the new role in February.

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