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MetalLegNZ wrote:

I think he's a better player than Rojas in the making IMO.

He may not be quite as good with the ball at his feet (still very good by NZ standards), but he has better vision than Rojas and more importantly a much better eye for goal. 

I think he has one more year with us before someone comes shopping - I expect him to get a really good look at by scouts in next years u20 WC.

On one of his runs he went through there Indian players, nutmegging one of them. MoM two days in a row. 

I hope the Nix put a big transfer fee on his head as he will not be with us very long. He should do what Thomas is doing, stay with the Nix for a couple more seasons then straight to Europe's big leagues. Going across the ditch would be a waste of time for him.

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coochiee wrote:

What someone praising Moses Dyer!! Bunter you are obviously new to this forum.

I'm not saying he's a good player, based on 20 minutes of football (he might be), but I think he's the right *type* of player.

He definitely did some good things today though.

If the AWs make the final, would like to see Singh, Cacahe, Dyer and Payne in an attacking phalanx, close to each other - and no donkeys in the way. Maybe they could pass the ball into the net a few times.

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any highlights of this tournament online?

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scribbler wrote:

If he continues like this, I can see Singh only being with us next season and then making it fairly big in Aussie first and then elsewhere a-la Rojas (hopefully better!).

A very young Ryan Thomas skipped Aussie altogether and went straight to the Dutch top flight. How old was he when he made that move?  

19 I think. Had the EU passport though.

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martinb wrote:

any highlights of this tournament online?

Here is some highlights of the Indian game, just warning. LOUD MUSIC

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Are we sure about head to head or goal difference. Currently NZ are top because of head to head with India. Now even if Kenya win by 3 goals, if the rules are consistent (head to head) then the head to head results between NZ, India and Kenya should count...which would mean that NZ and India are already in the final. 

India 2 1 0 1 4-2 3

NZ 2 1 0 1 3-3 3

Kenya 2 1 0 1 2-4 3 

I wish they would make a consistent rule and not change it all the time.

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D-Sidi wrote:

Are we sure about head to head or goal difference. Currently NZ are top because of head to head with India. Now even if Kenya win by 3 goals, if the rules are consistent (head to head) then the head to head results between NZ, India and Kenya should count...which would mean that NZ and India are already in the final. 

India 2 1 0 1 4-2 3

NZ 2 1 0 1 3-3 3

Kenya 2 1 0 1 2-4 3 

I wish they would make a consistent rule and not change it all the time.

It is H2H first, then goal difference. So if Kenya win overnight, all will be on 6 points and you have India beat Kenya, Kenya beat NZ, NZ beat India. So because of that, you then go to GD which is where the by 3 goals comes into it. We would both be on +1 but their goals for would be +5 and ours would be +4 meaning they go through. So whatever the score tomorrow if Kenya wins, we need them not to win by +3 goals.

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i'm really impressed and encouraged by this team

many of the squad are either established or emerging pros and a lot of them are probably outside the first choice XI. on that logic, the likes of de jong, payne, howieson and gulley should be shoe-ins for the phoenix. i'd be disappointed if there weren't several phoenix signings made from this group of players, but i guess a lot will come down to what rudan needs

in terms of delivery. i don't have any issue with the way we played. i think it is a fairly standard way of playing for most mid-ranking european teams. not many teams go short on the first phase and unlike recent all whites sides we sought to play properly from advanced positions in the second phase. under hudson, a lot of the time, the hoof ball was non stop.

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time to be looking for Indian investors or sponsors for the 'Nix?

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re gulley. it appears from schmidtz's selections that gulley has worked his way to the front of the right back cue. and if so, only storm roux potentially sits in front of him and he hasn't exactly made that spot his own.

it's good to see justin's quality shining through despite what i think was his unfair and short sighted axing by the phoenix a couple of years back

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Yakcall wrote:

D-Sidi wrote:

Are we sure about head to head or goal difference. Currently NZ are top because of head to head with India. Now even if Kenya win by 3 goals, if the rules are consistent (head to head) then the head to head results between NZ, India and Kenya should count...which would mean that NZ and India are already in the final. 

India 2 1 0 1 4-2 3

NZ 2 1 0 1 3-3 3

Kenya 2 1 0 1 2-4 3 

I wish they would make a consistent rule and not change it all the time.

It is H2H first, then goal difference. So if Kenya win overnight, all will be on 6 points and you have India beat Kenya, Kenya beat NZ, NZ beat India. So because of that, you then go to GD which is where the by 3 goals comes into it. We would both be on +1 but their goals for would be +5 and ours would be +4 meaning they go through. So whatever the score tomorrow if Kenya wins, we need them not to win by +3 goals.

Aside from the obvious goal of making the final and winning the thing, we really need this extra game

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reg22 wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

D-Sidi wrote:

Are we sure about head to head or goal difference. Currently NZ are top because of head to head with India. Now even if Kenya win by 3 goals, if the rules are consistent (head to head) then the head to head results between NZ, India and Kenya should count...which would mean that NZ and India are already in the final. 

India 2 1 0 1 4-2 3

NZ 2 1 0 1 3-3 3

Kenya 2 1 0 1 2-4 3 

I wish they would make a consistent rule and not change it all the time.

It is H2H first, then goal difference. So if Kenya win overnight, all will be on 6 points and you have India beat Kenya, Kenya beat NZ, NZ beat India. So because of that, you then go to GD which is where the by 3 goals comes into it. We would both be on +1 but their goals for would be +5 and ours would be +4 meaning they go through. So whatever the score tomorrow if Kenya wins, we need them not to win by +3 goals.

Aside from the obvious goal of making the final and winning the thing, we really need this extra game

Yeah, would be nice for the team to get another game and would have the added pressure of backing up this result again, playing India in the final

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good competitive development tournament. More interesting than one off friendlies, with actual pressure and consequences as well as selection competition throughout.

A chance to see some of these young guys and compare.

Something for the fans and for the players and coach.

Maybe fortunate but I think this has been successful so far 

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Yakcall wrote:

D-Sidi wrote:

Are we sure about head to head or goal difference. Currently NZ are top because of head to head with India. Now even if Kenya win by 3 goals, if the rules are consistent (head to head) then the head to head results between NZ, India and Kenya should count...which would mean that NZ and India are already in the final. 

India 2 1 0 1 4-2 3

NZ 2 1 0 1 3-3 3

Kenya 2 1 0 1 2-4 3 

I wish they would make a consistent rule and not change it all the time.

It is H2H first, then goal difference. So if Kenya win overnight, all will be on 6 points and you have India beat Kenya, Kenya beat NZ, NZ beat India. So because of that, you then go to GD which is where the by 3 goals comes into it. We would both be on +1 but their goals for would be +5 and ours would be +4 meaning they go through. So whatever the score tomorrow if Kenya wins, we need them not to win by +3 goals.

But will the results vs Chinese Taipei count in the ‘head to head’...that’s the point I’m making. You may be right, I miss the good old days of just goal difference being the deciding issue.

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Yakcall wrote:

martinb wrote:

any highlights of this tournament online?

Here is some highlights of the Indian game, just warning. LOUD MUSIC

Cheers Matt

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any theories why a player good enough to be an import in the A league was on the bench behind amateurs?

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Yakcall wrote:

D-Sidi wrote:

Are we sure about head to head or goal difference. Currently NZ are top because of head to head with India. Now even if Kenya win by 3 goals, if the rules are consistent (head to head) then the head to head results between NZ, India and Kenya should count...which would mean that NZ and India are already in the final. 

India 2 1 0 1 4-2 3

NZ 2 1 0 1 3-3 3

Kenya 2 1 0 1 2-4 3 

I wish they would make a consistent rule and not change it all the time.

It is H2H first, then goal difference. So if Kenya win overnight, all will be on 6 points and you have India beat Kenya, Kenya beat NZ, NZ beat India. So because of that, you then go to GD which is where the by 3 goals comes into it. We would both be on +1 but their goals for would be +5 and ours would be +4 meaning they go through. So whatever the score tomorrow if Kenya wins, we need them not to win by +3 goals.

What D-Sidi is asking is, is the GD tie-breaker based on the 3-teams tied on H2H (like it is in EUROs for example), or is it applicable accross all the games in the round robin. Because if it's the former, then the finalists are basically already confirmed.

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martinb wrote:

any theories why a player good enough to be an import in the A league was on the bench behind amateurs?

Good point. He was an unused sub against Chinese Taipei too. 

I think he's a good player. If Fritz thinks that Howieson and Payne are better then I think that is a good sign for NZ footy

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el grapadura wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

D-Sidi wrote:

Are we sure about head to head or goal difference. Currently NZ are top because of head to head with India. Now even if Kenya win by 3 goals, if the rules are consistent (head to head) then the head to head results between NZ, India and Kenya should count...which would mean that NZ and India are already in the final. 

India 2 1 0 1 4-2 3

NZ 2 1 0 1 3-3 3

Kenya 2 1 0 1 2-4 3 

I wish they would make a consistent rule and not change it all the time.

It is H2H first, then goal difference. So if Kenya win overnight, all will be on 6 points and you have India beat Kenya, Kenya beat NZ, NZ beat India. So because of that, you then go to GD which is where the by 3 goals comes into it. We would both be on +1 but their goals for would be +5 and ours would be +4 meaning they go through. So whatever the score tomorrow if Kenya wins, we need them not to win by +3 goals.

What D-Sidi is asking is, is the GD tie-breaker based on the 3-teams tied on H2H (like it is in EUROs for example), or is it applicable accross all the games in the round robin. Because if it's the former, then the finalists are basically already confirmed.

Oh thank you for clearing that up. Sorry I don't know, there hasn't been any official document released on how it will be decided but what I got above was from reporters and news stories. Nothing breaking it down completely.

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I saw Andrew Voerman post about it on twitter and I believe it is overall GD, not just between the sides.

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bunter wrote:

coochiee wrote:

What someone praising Moses Dyer!! Bunter you are obviously new to this forum.

I'm not saying he's a good player, based on 20 minutes of football (he might be), but I think he's the right *type* of player.

He definitely did some good things today though.

If the AWs make the final, would like to see Singh, Cacahe, Dyer and Payne in an attacking phalanx, close to each other - and no donkeys in the way. Maybe they could pass the ball into the net a few times.

What's Dyer's first touch like? Can't remember when his previous AW appearance was, but his 2nd touch was a tackle a lot in that game - great athletic ability, football side was not fully developed then.
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Dyers touch is fine - just needs to slow down - does everything at full throttle so can look a bit scrappy. Will be a better player when he learns to adjust his tempo.

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martinb wrote:

good competitive development tournament. More interesting than one off friendlies, with actual pressure and consequences as well as selection competition throughout.

A chance to see some of these young guys and compare.

Something for the fans and for the players and coach.

Maybe fortunate but I think this has been successful so far 

Great for development as the squad are together for longer, the coach gets an extended look at all the players who, in turn, have time to absorb what the coach expects from them.

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Much prefer a rematch with Kenya , But just to get another game would be tops.

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Played very well, also De Jong made a great little run for the first goal and finished well. A win over India means we have now beaten the two most populous countries in the world. The AllBlacks have not done that!

   

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Starting XI for Monday (if we make it)

     Tzanev

Gulley   Brotherton  Mitchell Ingham D

Howieson  Payne

         Singh

Dyer           Cacace

Bevan

subs J Ingham  Woud de Jong Boxall TAHW

Doyle for Boxall if fit.

Special conditions:

Boxall subbed back off if he turns over possession with a long ball, unless under pressure

Singh to take all free kicks and have first option over corners. J Ingham to stay at least 20m from the ball at set pieces

Notes:

Howieson had a much better game v India. Tzanev is the only GK who hasn't made a bad error.

Sketchy at LB, but Cacace's not been great at LB this tournament. Might be effective further forward.

Haven't seen D Ingham play, but Boxall keeps giving the ball away and the team needs a defender.

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Argie- wrote:

The way to untie in this tournament is through GD or head to head results? If it is by GD we need Kenya to now win by a 3 goals margin

H2H then GD - will only matter if India, Kenya, NZ all end up on 6 points, which would be a H2H tie, so comes down to GD. Kenya win by 1 or 2 - NZ in, 3 or more, Kenya in.

Kenya up 3-0 with 13 mins to go. Doesn't look good.

Come on Taiwan.

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NZ out of final. A 4 - 0 win to Kenya over Chinese Taipei. NZ just didn't score enough goals, especially against Chinese Taipei.

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DIssapointing that we don't play the final. 

On the positive side we probably did enough to be welcomed back 

On the whole a good tournamet to be in, especially if it was all paid for by an Indian billionaire 

New coach should have had a good look at our second tier and seen whom he thinks can step up over the next two years and whom is not worth investing in

Can't have been bad for our nIx players either getting some fitness 

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martinb wrote:

any theories why a player good enough to be an import in the A league was on the bench behind amateurs?

Very curious about Ridenton's lack of opportunities. He did as well as anyone else in that first game, in fact the AWs were dominating before he was subbed off.

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It was an experimental tourney. Lewis as one of the senior players barely played at all.

Maybe Schmid was trying to promote the amateur Handy players - giving them best chance of picking up a pro gig, with playing minutes.

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martinb wrote:

any theories why a player good enough to be an import in the A league was on the bench behind amateurs?

Very curious about Ridenton's lack of opportunities. He did as well as anyone else in that first game, in fact the AWs were dominating before he was subbed off.

Maybe he was left out because the Coach thought he was not good enough?

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martinb wrote:

any theories why a player good enough to be an import in the A league was on the bench behind amateurs?

Very curious about Ridenton's lack of opportunities. He did as well as anyone else in that first game, in fact the AWs were dominating before he was subbed off.

This player seems to polarise people, with commentators and journalists talking about his outstanding performances, 'breakthrough season' etc. And a successful coach just picked him as an import. Others like Schmidt see it differently.

I only saw H2 Kenya, and India. Two touches, coughed up the ball twice, once leading to a goal. Vs India, he put himself at striker for a while, while Billingsley was back helping defend a 2-1 lead.

That's not enough evidence to hang a player, but have a look at his last few games for the Nix and rate each of his touches out of ten.

How often did the team retain possession? Was it the best option? Was it an 'easy' play (like a pass back) or something challenging? Were his passes accurate, well weighted, well timed, easy to receive, or misplaced, bobbling, too hard, hospital passes, etc?

Look at his play off the ball - where is he? Is he helping the team? Is he marking a player or marking space? Is he on his toes, or plodding? Check out this highlights reel. 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rdJaJ0Cc9k'

Lots of back passes there. In the highlights reel.

Lastly, compare results and general play with 23 on, and off. The Nix beat Melbourne when he didn't start. The Nix started playing much better in another game when he was replaced by Singh.

IMO #23 had a subtle but huge impact on the Nix last season. He hid, and lost the ball too often, so in effect, we played with ten.

I hope he has a fantastic season with the Jets, but I'll bet a chocolate fish that if he starts more than half the games, the Jets don't make the playoffs.

Would love to be proven wrong here.

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Bit harsh IMO - I think when he played the man marker role particularly he did a good job... not a great one, but certainly did enough.

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I think Ridenton didn’t play much simply due to the fact that Howieson and Payne were being looked at.  Those two have been out of normal view for awhile.  Lewis did not feature much either and Doyle did not play in the final game.

Being at these games, I think our defense and midfield were fine but we were toothless up front and that’s what denied us a finals place.  

It looks like Wood and Collier are our only decent strikers atm.

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Marto wrote:

I think Ridenton didn’t play much simply due to the fact that Howieson and Payne were being looked at.  Those two have been out of normal view for awhile.  

It's hard trying to guess what a coach thinks and there is some possibility that what you are saying is true, but I think that the fact that Ridenton has only been selected for 1 out of 4 games means that Fritz rates the other 2 higher. Remember too that Ridenton could also possibly play on the right side or in the hole. 

IMO howieson and oayne reached ridenton's level quite some time ago, but then of course their careers stagnated. the question for me is to what degree this stagnation has affected their actual ability

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Lewis's lack of playing time was also very interesting

It would be cool to see these questions asked by our media

It will be interesting to see who makes the next squad

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I've just read that Lewis was because of match fitness

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