2018 International Friendlies

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Will NZ even play a game in 2018? The international fixture list is quickly filling up for the March window with very few teams now without a game. 

Interestingly Australia are playing two games in Europe in March, away to Norway and against Colombia in London. With the UEFA Nations League due to kick off in September fixtures against European teams will be almost impossible after that except for in the summer. Amazes me that we haven't played in London more after that friendly against Australia at Fulham 12 years ago. 

Shame we didn't get an invite to Thailand's annual Kings Cup tournament in March, where they'll host Gabon, Slovakia and UAE. Even Fiji have an away game against Malaysia scheduled later this year. 

Iceland clock up some incredible air miles playing away internationals. They went to Indonesia earlier this month and have games against Mexico (in the USA) and Peru in March. Last year they played in China, Qatar and USA as well. Maybe they'd fancy a couple of games down under? 

English based All Whites fan! Would love to watch an All White game one day.  

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NZF have no money/no coach and no care in the world for the All Whites atm.Football Ferns will get top billing this year.

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http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/58262

First friendly of 2018 is booked in, as well as an indication that we will have a head coach appointed by then.

Playing against Canada in Spain, unfortunately behind closed doors.

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Can't let the facts get out.

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does that just mean no crowd, or is it also no TV? cos that would suck...

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I doubt it will even be live tweeted. Hopefully they at least announce the line ups and the result!

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It means the benches will be cleared - everyone will et a run and it will be more of a training game than anything.

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"The World No 120 New Zealand side will play the World No 95 Canada"

"By mutual agreement the match will be a closed door affair. Both teams are at the beginning of a new cycle and will have new coaches, and this will be the first time that the coaches and players will meet and work together."

First good news that AWs have secured a friendly in this window, and sounds like the new coach will be definitely be appointed and ready to go by then. 

But don't get the logic of having game with no spectators. Why not let the good folk of Murcia have a looksee, no doubt with a tiny contingent of Kiwis/Canucks living in Europe? 

Who would be spying on the world's number 95 & number 120 sides, so early in the next qualifying cycle?

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aren't the football ferns in Spain around that Time? No coach a the heraf will step in and take the team as he will be in the area. 

Thanks John Herdman for jacking the game up!

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coochiee wrote:

"The World No 120 New Zealand side will play the World No 95 Canada"

"By mutual agreement the match will be a closed door affair. Both teams are at the beginning of a new cycle and will have new coaches, and this will be the first time that the coaches and players will meet and work together."

First good news that AWs have secured a friendly in this window, and sounds like the new coach will be definitely be appointed and ready to go by then. 

But don't get the logic of having game with no spectators. Why not let the good folk of Murcia have a looksee, no doubt with a tiny contingent of Kiwis/Canucks living in Europe? 

Who would be spying on the world's number 95 & number 120 sides, so early in the next qualifying cycle?

It's probably a cost thing. If you open the stadium you have to pay for security staff, people taking tickets, people Manning food stalls, and cleaners to clean up afterwards. Doubt there'd be enough local interest in buying tickets to cover the costs. Just booking the field and the changing roooms would be way cheaper

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coochiee wrote:

"The World No 120 New Zealand side will play the World No 95 Canada"

"By mutual agreement the match will be a closed door affair. Both teams are at the beginning of a new cycle and will have new coaches, and this will be the first time that the coaches and players will meet and work together."

First good news that AWs have secured a friendly in this window, and sounds like the new coach will be definitely be appointed and ready to go by then. 

But don't get the logic of having game with no spectators. Why not let the good folk of Murcia have a looksee, no doubt with a tiny contingent of Kiwis/Canucks living in Europe? 

Who would be spying on the world's number 95 & number 120 sides, so early in the next qualifying cycle?

It's probably a cost thing. If you open the stadium you have to pay for security staff, people taking tickets, people Manning food stalls, and cleaners to clean up afterwards. Doubt there'd be enough local interest in buying tickets to cover the costs. Just booking the field and the changing roooms would be way cheaper

Yes that would make some sense. I wonder if the game will even have international status? 

Are there limitations on how many subs you can have for a friendly international? Can you basically treat it like a training run, change your whole team at half time, and it still qualify as an international?

Be interesting to see who makes themselves unavailable, for really just a training camp, and meet the new gaffer.

Obviously easy to get Spain for all the big guns playing in England/Holland - even if they don't actually strip to play Canada.

As per another post there maybe a few MLS guys reluctant to attend - as the MLS doesn't break for this window. If you fighting hard to break into a matchday MLS squad, you may think twice about jeopardizing that by missing a club game so early in the season, just to have a little 1 week holiday in Espana with your AWs mates.  

Lastly does anyone know what that Kiwi Canadian Ben McKendry is doing club wise? Was loaned by Vancouver to Edmonton FC (NASL side). But I think NASL league is in a messy legal dispute with US Soccer, and Edmonton FC have folded??

Of course in the USL, Vancouver II (McKendry's previous side) have also now folded, and been replaced by Fresno FC. Lower American leagues are complicated.

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coochiee wrote:

coochiee wrote:

"The World No 120 New Zealand side will play the World No 95 Canada"

"By mutual agreement the match will be a closed door affair. Both teams are at the beginning of a new cycle and will have new coaches, and this will be the first time that the coaches and players will meet and work together."

First good news that AWs have secured a friendly in this window, and sounds like the new coach will be definitely be appointed and ready to go by then. 

But don't get the logic of having game with no spectators. Why not let the good folk of Murcia have a looksee, no doubt with a tiny contingent of Kiwis/Canucks living in Europe? 

Who would be spying on the world's number 95 & number 120 sides, so early in the next qualifying cycle?

It's probably a cost thing. If you open the stadium you have to pay for security staff, people taking tickets, people Manning food stalls, and cleaners to clean up afterwards. Doubt there'd be enough local interest in buying tickets to cover the costs. Just booking the field and the changing roooms would be way cheaper

Yes that would make some sense. I wonder if the game will even have international status? 

Are there limitations on how many subs you can have for a friendly international? Can you basically treat it like a training run, change your whole team at half time, and it still qualify as an international?

Be interesting to see who makes themselves unavailable, for really just a training camp, and meet the new gaffer.

Obviously easy to get Spain for all the big guns playing in England/Holland - even if they don't actually strip to play Canada.

As per another post there maybe a few MLS guys reluctant to attend - as the MLS doesn't break for this window. If you fighting hard to break into a matchday MLS squad, you may think twice about jeopardizing that by missing a club game so early in the season, just to have a little 1 week holiday in Espana with your AWs mates.  

Lastly does anyone know what that Kiwi Canadian Ben McKendry is doing club wise? Was loaned by Vancouver to Edmonton FC (NASL side). But I think NASL league is in a messy legal dispute with US Soccer, and Edmonton FC have folded??

Of course in the USL, Vancouver II (McKendry's previous side) have also now folded, and been replaced by Fresno FC. Lower American leagues are complicated.

No limits on subs in international friendlies

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More than six substitutes may be used as long as the competing teams reach an agreement on a maximum number and the referee is informed. If these criteria are not met, no more than six are allowed.

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I was actually thinking the other day that short of playing USA or Mexico again, the next best thing for NZ football would be to get a game against Canada, with so many kiwis in the squad playing in North America.

Didn't however anticipate it being played in Spain behind closed doors.

Don't think anything behind closed doors should count as a full international 

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Its a claytons game, i'd even go as far to say its an expensive waste of time. Both teams would achieve the same thing by staying at home and having an intra squad scrimmage. The international you have when you're not having an international. No guarantee we'll even have a coach for the bloody thing.....

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We constantly decry the lack of quality AWs games, but yes if a new coach is not in place for this Canada game, the whole exercise will look rather pointless.

I really hope it is being organised on the cheap. Sounds like is going to all be based at some local academy setup (good facilities), with maybe some affordable accommodation onsite. Short Easy Jet plane trips for the European based players.

Still location choice seems a bit odd. Two teams that would both have a large number of MLS players in their first choice squads, scheduling a game (somewhat meaningless friendly at that, so early in next qualifying cycle) in Europe - when MLS season has just started, and doesn't break for this March FIFA window.

The training camp and Canada game are scheduled 19-25th March. At the moment this will overlap a number of MLS games as below

24th March - New York RB v Minnesota (M Boxall)

24th March - Dallas v Portland (Gleeson & Tuiloma)

25th March - Vancouver (Marinovic & Bevan) v LA Galaxy

25th March - Colorado (Smith, Colvey & Wynne) v Sporting KC (Musa)

Six of the above nine players, were in AWs squad verus Peru. Eight (all except Gleeson) have played for AWs in last 12 months.

Yet as a guess at the moment, only Marinovic and Boxall would be first eleven/match day squad certainties at their MLS clubs, right now? That's a guess, having no idea what other players their clubs have signed in the off season (I think Vancouver signed a new keeper to replace Ousted - keep Marinovic honest?).

Point being many of MLS contingent could be reluctant to leave their clubs for a week, to basically shake the new coach's hand, and listen to an Andy Martin speech - whilst putting their short term future club playing prospects at risk. Time for the younger guys (Tuiloma, Colvey, Wynne etc to be a bit selfish). I hope the AWs hierachy are keeping in touch with the various MLS coaches for feedback, on which players they are better to leave alone come late March. Bevan is probably one guy who won't be near a MLS squad anytime soon, ie will solely play USL for Fresno FC in 2018.

I'm sure the other MLS guys can find a few hours to tune in via Skype, to say hi to the new coach, their AWs mates etc.

Better I think to make it pretty much solely a European based AWs squad, fleeced out with A League players (Nix season will be dead by then), Brockie and maybe some U20's kids (dare I say Dyer).

Time to experiment and have a good look at a group of younger players like Crocombe, Woud, Adam Mitchell, Brotherton, Ridenton, Rufer, Nikko Boxall, both Inghams etc. Perhaps also bring Henry Cameron back in for a look. Definitely invite Boyd (if available). Also invite Joe Champness (ie try sneak him off Australia). Others like Luke Adams & Tyler Lissette (both playing in Sweden) and even Niko Kirwan are worth considering. They are all at pro club environments after all, and a good chance to keep them in touch with NZF.

If short on numbers, you'd have a few Kiwi "journeymen" in Europe like Old, Draper, Tamati Williams and Chris James (harsh tag maybe) possibly floating around. But really their time has been & gone - money better spent looking at Generation Next.

There will be some value for sure in having likes of Mitchell & Brotherton spend a few quality days training/talking, to Winnie Reid & Themi (if can understand him). Same re Lewis & Ridenton hanging out with Thomas & Rojas, or Woud learning off Glenn Moss, Wood rooming with young Bevan etc. Get Rory over for some board games/team bonding sessions.

I wouldn't even play the big guns (Reid, Wood, Thomas) in the Canada 'game'. What's the point - unless they were needing some match fitness, re club seasons.

I'd mostly play kids, and not give the game international status. Time to experiment, and see who stands out at the next level. Also there will be the odd European scout watching, so could assist some of these younger guys get a club gig somewhere if they catch the eye. All about thinking about the longer term AWs vision, and trying to build much needed depth.

Some the above youngsters will definitely be required in 2 years time, at the next Oceania Cup Confed tournament. Let’s not forget we won the last one on pens, and were knocked out of the previous one in semis. So let’s give them some international exposure now, so in 2 years time they are well prepared if needed.

In mean time, I hope NZF are targeting some WC 2018 bound teams - seeking pre Russia friendlies later in May/June. If so at that point, bring in the MLS players and make it a stronger more 1st choice AWs squad.

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great bit of analysis

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Thanks NP. Long Sth American bus ride, so had plenty of time to think

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If its behind closed doors why not grab a few of the young Handy players and do what the league is advertised to do (make All Whites). Leave the MLS players as they are trying to fight it out bring maybe a few European based players. Its only Canada and some of them should be reasonably fit at this time of the year and would hopefully challenge the NZ Prem players to lift their game to another level and bring that experience back to National League.

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